The GEGE cylinder

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There has been a few messages about gege cylinders on here so I thought I would allow hobby pickers out there to see what the fuss is about. There is no dought that GEGE have excellent security, picking is a pain and can take well over an hour for some to be compremised. So lets look at one I snapped (not to gain entry, trouble with multi lock point!).



Note shell has space for six pins, but 5 have only been used. Part of a council master system me thinks. 2 anti drill pins in shell. 4 multi-mushroomed driver pins and one anti drill driver. 1 anti drill top pin and 4 standard brass top pins. plug has 2 anti drill pins one of which is next to key. If they made a snap proof version (i.e. just put a slot in the cylinder like multilock or squire snap safe), this would be an excellent product.

[NIC]

Can you post a pic of the front of the keyway ?

[Eyes_Only]

Thats some wicked security pins in there.

[Kaellman]

Secure lock in a nut-shell. And some pics of the keyway would be nice Thanks for the post!

[raimundo]

I don't think that those cuts that break off the cylinder halfway through the keyway are really snap proof, a tool that put a hard steel blank all the way to the back of the lock would stiffent this area and make the force apply back further in the lock, where the snapoff usually happens, If you have seen that movie 'heat' with deniro and pachino there is a scene in the early part where they do a wharehouse in which val kilmer puts such a thing in a lock and then puts a breakerbar on it and gives it the big ape treatment.

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raimundo: Yeh your right about it not totally making it snap proof but it helps if a burglar tries on a simpler cylinder that the average punter could afford.

There are cylinders out there with things like a titanium alloy bar that runs through the bolt hole and even some have pivoting bars that 'float' over the cylinder on springs, so pressure on the cylinder would just make it swivel.

Anyways a few pics of the standard GEGE (restricted) keyway.


The snapped half i have.


Front of a rare brass gege, after 3000 changes this cropped up.

[panalman]

2 anti drill pins in shell. 4 multi-mushroomed driver pins and one anti drill driver. 1 anti drill top pin and 4 standard brass top pins. plug has 2 anti drill pins one of which is next to key. If they made a snap proof version (i.e. just put a slot in the cylinder like multilock or squire snap safe), this would be an excellent product.[/quote]

An excellent post with pic's. And yes most geges are a pain to pick I have managed a couple with the EPG but at least 5 or more have caught me out in the past 6 months. I am not a great beliver in the snapper bar, and always prefer the rotary pick and maybe by just personal choice I always use small diameter bits and quite clearly I can now see why a normal HSS bit go'es through the lock like butter as it doe's not engage the so caled anti drill pins as they are to far apart for the smaller bit perhaps a couple of anti drill pins in line of the keyway would inprove the security of the lock.
Just a thought.

[JackNco]

the GeGes are great locks. i must get some more.

I have 2 here that were new and they only have 5 pins as well.

All the best, John

[gazzaull25]

Hi there all i come across alot of these cylinders in my area and i wondering if any 1 knows the key blank refernces etc or a pdf of the key blanks etc ??

Many thanks

[cjames73]

Hi there all i come across alot of these cylinders in my area and i wondering if any 1 knows the key blank refernces etc or a pdf of the key blanks etc ??

Many thanks

not sure how many profiles there are but 2 silca geges are GE1 and GE106.

[JackNco]

there are 11 key ways listed in the ilco 2006 book. (if im reading it right)

[gazzaull25]

Do they have a code next them like silca ul050 etc just for a referance to order them etc or could u pm with a scanned copy of the profiles ?

Thanks

[JackNco]

http://www.kaba-ilco.com/key_systems/pd ... linder.pdf

Nah, this way seems easier.

[JackNco]

http://www.kaba-ilco.com/key_systems/pd ... s_info.asp

Just in case u cant find what ur after

[aussielocky]

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Part of a council master system me thinks.

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Not master keyed, as no master pins present