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Postby ForFun » 18 May 2007 15:48

I seem to be getting worse. The pins in the lock I'm using are not the original pins. Could this be giving me a problem????????
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Postby freakparade3 » 18 May 2007 16:07

We need a little more information. Pins are not all universal. are the pins you put in the lock the same diameter? What kind of lock is it? Did you follow MACS?
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Postby ForFun » 18 May 2007 17:04

freakparade3 wrote:We need a little more information. Pins are not all universal. are the pins you put in the lock the same diameter? What kind of lock is it? Did you follow MACS?

The lock is a Kwikset deadbolt and I've only got three pin stacks in it. Original pins were brass but these pins look steel color. Diameter, don't know. I'v got some Tesa metric calipers and B & S mics. that measure to .0001. Don't have them here but plan to get them this weekend.
MACS? I do a search on that now.
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Postby Schuyler » 18 May 2007 17:07

ForFun wrote:
freakparade3 wrote:We need a little more information. Pins are not all universal. are the pins you put in the lock the same diameter? What kind of lock is it? Did you follow MACS?

The lock is a Kwikset deadbolt and I've only got three pin stacks in it. Original pins were brass but these pins look steel color. Diameter, don't know. I'v got some Tesa metric calipers and B & S mics. that measure to .0001. Don't have them here but plan to get them this weekend.
MACS? I do a search on that now.


http://www.locksoft.com/gloscopy.htm

pretty useful tool
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Postby ForFun » 18 May 2007 17:12

Schuyler wrote:
ForFun wrote:
freakparade3 wrote:We need a little more information. Pins are not all universal. are the pins you put in the lock the same diameter? What kind of lock is it? Did you follow MACS?

The lock is a Kwikset deadbolt and I've only got three pin stacks in it. Original pins were brass but these pins look steel color. Diameter, don't know. I'v got some Tesa metric calipers and B & S mics. that measure to .0001. Don't have them here but plan to get them this weekend.
MACS? I do a search on that now.


http://www.locksoft.com/gloscopy.htm

pretty useful tool

"maximum ajacent cut specification", okay but what does that mean in the way of numbers? I can mic. the length of a pin but what would the differance allowed or not allowed be in .001 of an inch????
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Postby Schuyler » 18 May 2007 18:29

mmm, I don't have a list. I've got kwickset and schlage, specifically...and, I actually have the pin heights for most common american locks, but not their MACS...

Someone will have this, though. Here's two images that I stole from other threads on this site.

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Postby freakparade3 » 18 May 2007 21:37

MACS means the difference allowed on adjacent cuts to a key. The MACS for Kwikset is 4. What this means is to follow MACS their can be no more than a 4 depth difference on consecutive key cuts.
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Postby ForFun » 19 May 2007 6:52

freakparade3 wrote:MACS means the difference allowed on adjacent cuts to a key. The MACS for Kwikset is 4. What this means is to follow MACS their can be no more than a 4 depth difference on consecutive key cuts.

I had not heard of MACS untill you brought it to my attention. I very much appreciate the charts and explanations. Thank you.
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Postby Shrub » 19 May 2007 7:11

I have no idea what on earth your on about its only after having to read the whole thread that i realise what its about, can you please make an effort to A) produce a descriptive and searchable title for your thread and B) actually make a understandable and detailed post about what you want,

Had this thread not continued to the point it has i would have simply deleted it and made you post again with the correct forum etiquate,

Please more more effort in future, its also a great idea if you search the site before making a post as most questions have already been answered in 99% of cases,
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moderation is a good thing

Postby raimundo » 19 May 2007 9:15

moderation is a good thing if not carried to extremes shrub, and I don't think that lock has steel pins, such pins would wear out the brass key, its probably nickel silver, if you have a magnet, steel will be attracted to it. (even some stainless steel, try it in your miscellaneous silverware drawer)
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Re: moderation is a good thing

Postby ForFun » 20 May 2007 9:20

raimundo wrote:moderation is a good thing if not carried to extremes shrub, and I don't think that lock has steel pins, such pins would wear out the brass key, its probably nickel silver, if you have a magnet, steel will be attracted to it. (even some stainless steel, try it in your miscellaneous silverware drawer)

Yor're right. I put a magnet to the pins and they are not magnetic.
The stainless you mention is the 400 series that is a little bit magnetic.
Thank you.
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