defiant locks

[Rodfather23]

As a lot of people have been talking about..... I have started noticing what locks are on buildings. Well today I was at my local art museum and I looked to see what deadbolts they had on their door in the back where there is a restaurant with a terrace. The deadbolts they had on these doors ( and keep in mind this museum has many paintings that are worth over 1 million dollars) were defiant deadbolts with a sergeant lever handle and lock. It just blew my mind and I felt I had to share it.



Rodfather

[Eyes_Only]

That is pretty surprising. I would figure the locksmith (institutional or independent) who installed the locks there would be more careful with the choice of lock to use in a place like that. Or maybe they had those put on by construction workers when the building was constructed and no one bothered to upgrade them. Still sad though.

[JackNco]

i would assume most museums depend heavily on there alarm systems. no point unlocking the door if half the police in the area will be there within 3 minutes.

I would assume they would want the doors intact as well as i would guess the doors lock from within the frame once the alarm is triggered.

[Schuyler]

you said they had sargents as well, right?

[Rodfather23]

you said they had sargents as well, right?

correct

[Schuyler]

you said they had sargents as well, right?

correct

Well, can't say why they mixed the two, but Sargent is a respectable brand for commercial/industrial applications. I mean, I guess it depends on the product, but certainly that's not uncommon.

Odd though, that they added Defiants to the mix.

[Afisch]

From what i can see around me there seems to be little difference what locks are used on homes, businesses and any other istitution. Spose round here its a "locks keep people out, end of" sorta mentailty.

[Schuyler]

From what i can see around me there seems to be little difference what locks are used on homes, businesses and any other istitution. Spose round here its a "locks keep people out, end of" sorta mentailty.

"locks keep honest people honest." ? I've heard that one a lot and like it quite a bit.

[LockNewbie21]

you'd think just for the sake of application they would atleast go with something UL listed.. if for nothing more than insurence purposes, or at even a lesser note key control?

Mueseums are alarmed to the gills true, but man... I would at the least recomend a primus or if I got a little crazy a Protec but then again it's just millions of dollars or priceless art.

[Schuyler]

you'd think just for the sake of application they would atleast go with something UL listed.. if for nothing more than insurence purposes, or at even a lesser note key control?

It might be different in specific applications, but I don't believe most american insurers set a bar for what level of security your locks need to be.

[Afisch]

I think that museams would be concerned that you can get in to priceless exibits with nothing more than tweasers (my random object Tensor of choice) and a paperclip. There are plenty of people who dont know what make locks they have on their homes far from what theyre quality is. Might be worth informing the museam if you recon theyd take notice.

[zeke79]

I know for a fact there is no bar for homeowners insurance as to what type of locks you have. However you do get an insurance break if you have deadbolts installed. It doesnt matter if they are UL437 listed or not.

Again, this is homeowners insurance.

[strkr]

Zeke79 sir,

How do they test the product to qualify it to be UL 437? What locks are UL 437 qualified? Can a qualified UL 437 lock still be pickable? Is there a standard key cut they key the cylinder to test?

[UWSDWF]

Zeke79 sir,

How do they test the product to qualify it to be UL 437? What locks are UL 437 qualified? Can a qualified UL 437 lock still be pickable? Is there a standard key cut they key the cylinder to test?

http://aero-defense.ihs.com/document/abstract/NVXYEBAAAAAAAAAA check that link for the standards


and all locks are pickable

[Squelchtone]

Zeke79 sir,

Can a qualified UL 437 lock still be pickable?

Just like a Safe combination lock which is rated in the minutes or hours it takes to crack that safe lock, gets put in a category such as Group II or Group I, high security key locks are also categorized and put into the UL 437 rating if they are drill proof for a certain number of minutes, hammer and chisel proof, pull attack proof, and of course pick RESISTANT. That's the most important word in that sentence.

If your house locks are 60 minute pick resistant rated then no thief is gonna sit there and try to pick for 60 minutes. And they can't drill the lock or pry it out or hammer it in, because the lock has been reinforced. It has also been made out of anti-corrosive materials so it can survive humidity, sea salt spray and other bad weather.

I think the locks also have to survive 10,000 unlock/locks without wearing out mechanically.

New UL 437 text, which I have not seen yet, may include bumping resistance.... I'll leave that topic for someone else here to cover.

otherwise, I and many others here have picked UL 437 rated locks. They're harder and better made, but not impossible.

Squelchtone