Fun with code machine and schlage MACS

[maxxed]

I was experimenting the other day with a profile cutting wheel on my ITL 900. This machine will cut Medico with the proper cutter installed. I cut a key for a Corbin L4 keyway using the right and left angles , widening the cuts so that the standard pins seated properly on the key. All attempts to duplicate the key with any of my 6 duplicators failed, but then that's what I wanted. Have some fun with that idea

[zeke79]

Good to hear someone else is experimenting too . For me, the next step down on my machines is a .012" medeco wheel which will be too narrow for the schlage pins. I think I will come back after that cut though and widen it with a .020" slotter and see how that works out.

[maxxed]

perhaps making chisel pointed pins to fit the cutter profile would be an interesting project, although it may give someone SPP some grief because of the rotating of the pin and no stop.

[Schuyler]

This has been great reading so far, hope you guys keep it up. Love this outside of normal experimentation.

[zeke79]

perhaps making chisel pointed pins to fit the cutter profile would be an interesting project, although it may give someone SPP some grief because of the rotating of the pin and no stop.

I could, but I'd like to make it a mod that can be done just by cutting the keys and using standard OEM pins.

[maxxed]

perhaps making chisel pointed pins to fit the cutter profile would be an interesting project, although it may give someone SPP some grief because of the rotating of the pin and no stop.

I could, but I'd like to make it a mod that can be done just by cutting the keys and using standard OEM pins.

That was the idea behind cutting the standard blank with angled cuts and standard pins, the guide on a standard duplicator follows the highest point on the key. The result is a key cut to points and is cut too high. . The idea was to create a system restricting duplication of the entry keys of an apartment block, in the end I realized I did not want to cut 300 + keys on the ITL this way, so I sold a Primus system instead.

[maxxed]

Good to hear someone else is experimenting too . For me, the next step down on my machines is a .012" medeco wheel which will be too narrow for the schlage pins. I think I will come back after that cut though and widen it with a .020" slotter and see how that works out.

I just reread this post and I noticed that you mentioned widening the cuts with a slotter. If I remember correctly you have a framon code machine, why not simply move the spacing +.015 to -.015 off center space while cutting the key with the Medico cutter

[Deathadder]

Throw a couple serrated top pins and a couple of spool top pins and this lock may become a little monster .

A little monster????

[zeke79]

Good to hear someone else is experimenting too . For me, the next step down on my machines is a .012" medeco wheel which will be too narrow for the schlage pins. I think I will come back after that cut though and widen it with a .020" slotter and see how that works out.

I just reread this post and I noticed that you mentioned widening the cuts with a slotter. If I remember correctly you have a framon code machine, why not simply move the spacing +.015 to -.015 off center space while cutting the key with the Medico cutter

Good idea there. I could easily do that .

[maxxed]

Glad I could help

[desert_gold_hound]

Ok I see the picture of your key and would like to give you some advice.

On a bumb key you wont the cuts to be 9,0,9,0... Yours looks to start with a 1 and then has another 1 tords the end. I would highly doubt this bump key would work properly. Also the angle of the cuts should be a little different then those cut.













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J/K

Any bets on hoe long it takes someone to look at the picture, skip reading the posts and offer you advice how to fix your bumpkey?

[raimundo]

they are now talking about how to make a key that will be difficult to make a copy of if I am right in how I followed the discussion.

[raimundo]

they are now talking about how to make a key that will be difficult to make a copy of if I am right in how I followed the discussion.

[Jryanruch]

Great ideas... I've never though to put a schlage into the ITL and angle the cuts. I'll play with that today if the calls slow down.

A couple property managers around here file some of the material off the bottom of their 'do not copy' stamped keys so that they have to be shimmed up to be copied effectively (or cut by code). With only a little meat missing from the spine of the key a working copy can't be made using automatic duplicators.

[raimundo]

J ryan ruch has another good point. however, it should be used with care, as it may work badly with some keyways that actually index the height by the bottom of the key rather than the warding. this will have to be worked out according to which locks it works on.

thanks very much for that, I only vaguely think I have heard of this before, possibly here on the lp101