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8 button keyless---What's inside???

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8 button keyless---What's inside???

Postby ForFun » 23 May 2007 9:51

American Keyless Lock Co. EB trademark.
There are 8 spring loaded buttons on the circumference that go all the way through the lock. All springs are strong. Buttons allways return to center position.
http://s185.photobucket.com/albums/x160 ... rent=1.jpg
Don't know what EB stands for.
Don't know how old.
Can anyone visualize the inner workings and hidden mechanisms of this lock????
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Postby jim00718 » 23 May 2007 16:53

That is the coolest combo lock ive seen.
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Sweet

Postby Trip Doctor » 23 May 2007 18:32

Wow.. that is one ghetto looking lock, lmao. Pretty sweet if you ask me. Do the buttons stay down when you press them, and then when you open the shackle they go back up ?
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Postby samfishers » 23 May 2007 20:58

maybe ill post a pic of a ''normal'' combo lock

coolest old lock!! :P
watch the weather change

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Postby Schuyler » 23 May 2007 21:11

Awesome lock.

Open that bad boy up ;)
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Do the buttons stay down

Postby ForFun » 24 May 2007 6:29

Trip Doctor wrote: Do the buttons stay down when you press them, and then when you open the shackle they go back up ?


No, the buttons don't stay down unless you hold them down. They can be depressed from either side and return to center immediatly when finger pressure is released.
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Open that bad boy up

Postby ForFun » 24 May 2007 6:37

Schuyler wrote:Awesome lock.

Open that bad boy up ;)

I might do that and put a piece of plex on it. There's a rivit through the center and I think the entire circumference of the back may be swedged to hold back plate.
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Postby samfishers » 24 May 2007 17:20

can you turn the buttons?

do you know how to open it, like the proper way! :lol:
watch the weather change

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Postby ForFun » 25 May 2007 7:12

samfishers wrote:can you turn the buttons?

do you know how to open it, like the proper way! :lol:


No, I don't know how to open it the proper way. My guess was that you had to press each button from the correct side to get the "whats a ma-call-its" in the right positions.

The buttons extend from front and back about .125. No good gripping surface but the buttons will rotate just a few degrees and then seem to hit a solid stop. I've just noticed that the buttons on the back side only have three equally spaced lines. Each button is numbered and there is a line between number and button. Not enough rotation to line up any of the lines except one.
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Postby Shrub » 25 May 2007 7:16

I will buy that lock off you if you plan to cut it up, the offer is only open if it is left undamaged,

If you cut it up you may regret it at a later date :wink:

Does the shackle spring? if so shim it,

The buttons may shim,

Further opening discussion will be advanced froums discussion im afraid but whatever you do please dont cut it up,
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Postby Afisch » 25 May 2007 8:52

Personaly i'd just try every combination of buttons, but i doupt most people could ever be bothered with that...would i be right in thinking there are 256 combinations. (hope this doesn't count as opening discussion as its just try every possibility) Good luck getting it open.
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Postby Shrub » 25 May 2007 11:56

Nah its more the bypassing side of things i was meaning,

Im guessing maybe pulling on the shackle would show if the mechs are directly linked as in the cheaper digi locks out there as in they are just gates that have to be aligned,
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Postby TOWCH » 25 May 2007 12:33

My guess is the internal mechanism:

It's got a wheel with the center rivet as it's axel. It's got got semi circles punched at each spot there's a button, and the buttons are like a simple trigger lock with a groove with enough clearence for the wheel to clear at a certain depth. The hasp catches on the wheel and isn't free until the buttons align allowing the wheel to rotate. That brass pin near the shackle is probably what holds the spring in place that resets the lock.

Of course, the details are the important part. As described above, it would have a key that would fit over the face of the lock. If it's intended to be opened by hand, my money is still on a wheel fence operated by the hasp but that isn't saying much.
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Postby TOWCH » 25 May 2007 12:49

http://cgi.ebay.com/BRASS-COMBINATION-P ... dZViewItem

http://members.aol.com/padlockweb/pics/co2.jpg

If you search that patent number on google patents you might find it. I can't quite make it out.
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Postby ForFun » 25 May 2007 13:57

TOWCH wrote:http://cgi.ebay.com/BRASS-COMBINATION-PADLOCK-AMERICAN-KEYLESS-LOCK-CO_W0QQitemZ140121110248QQihZ004QQcategoryZ3557QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://members.aol.com/padlockweb/pics/co2.jpg

If you search that patent number on google patents you might find it. I can't quite make it out.

I can't make out all of the patent number on mine either.
The one on ebay must have internal damage. Think I'll bid on that one. It would be better to take the damaged one apart if I were to take one apart.
If I had two I might put them in a picture frame, one undamaged and one showing internal workings. I would of course take close up pictures and share them.
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