cisa padlock

by **Avenger** » 29 May 2007 7:41

okay, so, i got myself a cisa brass padlock, version 210/40, and also it says "logo" on it....dont know what that really means. from key observing, i see that its a 5 pin lock.
since i dont have a camera i cant take a picture of it, and the closest to padlock picture that i found on the internet was this
http://www.cisa.com/flex/files/D.351a21a28ee81eb9840a/Catalogo_LucchettiGB.pdf
(second page, brass padlock left)

does Shackle double-locking system or CISA patented anti-tampering protection device have anything to do with my inabillity to pick it. i dont know what am i doing wrong, i tried little torque pressure, more torque pressure, picking from behind, picking from first pin...im lost. it sure works because key fits perfectly and it opens perfectly as well.

is this bugger pickable? :evil:

by **Schuyler** » 29 May 2007 7:50

Totally pickable. The double locking mechanism refers to the locking dog that holds the shackle shut, nothing to do with the cylinder itself.

You'll crack it. Got a picture of the key for us?

by **Avenger** » 29 May 2007 7:56

since i dont have a camera i cant take a picture of it

however, i will try to borrow it from someone so you can see the key.
but nothing special, simple key, i didnt see nothing special on it...but perhaps you will. :wink:

spock out

by **Schuyler** » 29 May 2007 7:58

heh, sorry, missed that line

just draw us up an ascii version of the bitting on the key.

by **Avenger** » 29 May 2007 8:21

uh...ill try

|------------|
| |-----------------------------------\
| /\ |
| O / \ /\ |
| __A__A_/ \_A_/ \__--/
| |--|
|------------|

hehe, more or less

by **jordyh** » 29 May 2007 8:24

Code: Select all: mate, you might want to turn on the code-function, works better that way

by **Avenger** » 29 May 2007 8:24

, i didnt see preview, no spaces included

|------------|
|...............|-----------------------------------\
|...................................../\.......................|
|......O.........................../...\........./\.........|
|................... __A__A_/......\_A_/....\__--/
|...............|--|
|------------|

by **Avenger** » 29 May 2007 8:26

sorry, i dont know how does code function work, ill explore it later, for now, this will suffice

by **Schuyler** » 29 May 2007 8:27

that would look to be your broblem then

That 3th keypin looks like a doozy, especially as you've got to catch that short 4th behind it. You know?

Looks like a pretty secure bitting. You're going to have to SPP that bastage and pay a lot of attention. You should feel good once you pop it.

by **Avenger** » 29 May 2007 8:32

uf, i try to be focused, but my pick seem to be....um....i would like it thiner if you know what i mean. as far as i see it, i cant put down that 4th pin in order not to push the third beyond the shear line. :evil:

well, thanks for the help, ill try to pick the bastard once more....once my hands go back to normal

stupid lock :evil:

by **raimundo** » 29 May 2007 8:34

make a pick that will work under that deep middle pin, on type would work under that and also work the shallow end of the keyway with a second pick tip along the shaft. I make one called sabana for this, there may be photos someone has posted around here somewhere. our you can concieve your own variation, its always interesting to see what others think up.

by **UWSDWF** » 29 May 2007 8:37

... thats some nasty high-low combo....
You're gonna need a hook shallow enough to reach under the big pin so you may get the pins at the back without over setting the problematic pin

by **Avenger** » 29 May 2007 8:42

is it possible to make torque so light so that 4th pin blocks at shear line (you know...as it should be with key), but the third (because of light torque) cant be overset?

btw, what is the good material for making picks, and where can you find them "in nature". i read that metal from car wipers is good for that

cisa padlock

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