Pin Problems

by **Kathulis** » 28 May 2007 18:04

Hi! I am new to the fourms and love them. They have been very helpful to me. I started the hobby of lock picking about a month ago. So far I have opened a Master Lock#1 twice. I am not so good, but I have been praticing a whole lot.

Here is my problem, my lock has been picked open 4 times(twice by my bro), and been picked at many, many times. I do not know if this the result of this, but my two frontal pins are becoming quite loose. They won't really lock into place, and they stay in postions with no tension on the lock.

Any advice?

Also if anyone has a suggestion of a easier lock to pratice with, I am using South Ord 5 piece set. So yeah...

by **Eyes_Only** » 28 May 2007 18:22

Something might have gotten into the plug and causing the pins to get stuck. It could be brass bits that may have been shaved off during the course of the picking. Try squirting a little WD-40 in there to see if it'll loosen it up a bit.

by **nekret** » 28 May 2007 18:24

Sounds like you over-compressed/broke the front two springs in the lock. This can be caused by raising longer pins further than the sheer line by a significant amount. You might want to try a kwikset deadbolt (I practiced on one of these when I had the same 5 piece set) as you can remove/replace pins and/or springs in the event of damage. After you master the kwikset (open reliably in under 30 seconds with a variety of pinnings) you should give a schlage a try.

Of course I'm assuming you live in the US so if you live elsewhere you might have trouble getting schlage/kwikset locks.

by **Kathulis** » 28 May 2007 18:38

Alright, Thanks. If I am going to pick up a kiwi, would you recomend taking it apart right away, or master it first?

And I'll try that liquid stuff. Yes I live in the U.S.

by **freakparade3** » 28 May 2007 18:54

When you get your deadbolt follow this exercise. It will help you immensly.

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by **Eyes_Only** » 28 May 2007 19:14

I would try to learn how to pick it consistantly before taking it apart. But when you do decide to dissect it here is the link to a whole lot of Kwikset service manuals, http://www.kwikset.com/Trade/Literature/default.aspx .

The the last one on your right hand bottom corner with the red cover is the re-keying manual. A lot of whats covered there applies to most basic pin tumbler locks. Good luck.

by **n00bking** » 29 May 2007 17:52

Ya. When I first started lock picking I was garbage and didn't have any good locks. I would definately reccomend picking up a kwikset or some other re pin able deadbolt lock over 4 pins. It is usually an easy lock to pick and will keep you interested in lockpicking. Also, when choosing which lock to buy, look for one with a nice looking key. Well, when i say nice, i mean easy, not one with like very high mountains and low low valleys, my key is quite nice. 3 pins are all the same and there is one a little bit shorter than the others and one a little bit longer. I watched a bump video on youtube, and this guy got the coolest looking key. it has the shortest pin at the last pin and then they got bigger and bigger till like a really low cut in the center of the key and then it progressed upwards. really cool looking key. i'll try to find that video.

by **n00bking** » 29 May 2007 17:54

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... q=bump+key

by **Kathulis** » 29 May 2007 18:00

TY all, Been a great help, picking up a kiwi tonight. I am going to need to be careful and not break anymore pins though. I am getting alot better and can now get all the pins up (except the broken ones) up fairly fast.

As for lock bumping, very cool. Would be useful to have, I might try making one with a blank key I have.

by **n00bking** » 29 May 2007 18:24

don't. I have tried with blank keys. I suck. make one out of the other key they give you. they gave me 2 keys, one i use and one i made a bump out of.

by **n00bking** » 29 May 2007 18:24

so like u know where to file and stuff. making them out of blanks is tough. and takes a lot longer. more metal to file.

by **freakparade3** » 29 May 2007 18:38

Your time will be better spent learning to pick than messing with bumpkeys. They are fun for a few minutes, but quickly get boring.

by **Kathulis** » 29 May 2007 18:50

Yeah, that is kind of the impression I got. Once you got your bump key, you can't really increase your "skill" using it. I have seen videos which tell you the right places to file and other things. If you want the link just ask

by **freakparade3** » 29 May 2007 18:54

Kathulis wrote:Yeah, that is kind of the impression I got. Once you got your bump key, you can't really increase your "skill" using it. I have seen videos which tell you the right places to file and other things. If you want the link just ask

Thanks for the offer but I have a full set, they probably have about an inch of dust on them. :lol:

by **Kathulis** » 29 May 2007 19:00

Gothca, Oh and by the way, since I am kind of new to the fourms could you help me a bit here.

A friends doing spring cleaning or something and has a whole lot of whacky locks (locksmith). He knows my hobby and is giving me tons of the stuff. So far I have this cool high tech lock. I want to post it as a topic, figure how it works, and if it is pickable (easily that is). Where would that go? and could I post it?

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