bs lever lock pics

[toomush2drink]

The era lock has dimples either side of the keyhole as well which helps identification. The only thing with the plastic spacers is they can get distorted sometimes when picking and prevent the bolt from moving across.
BTW which era are you referring to and how would you be able to force the stump on a chubb when its mounted on a door ?
(apart from being english) ? lol

[Mad Mick]

Hey mate, don't knock England, your ancestors were made there....

the problem with era locks (apart from being english made)

I took a trip to Aus once. After an unbelievably long, boring flight, I arrived at the Australian Customs dep't. The official asked numerous questions, to which I replied honestly. The last one he asked was:

"Do you have a criminal record?"

After I picked myself up fom the floor, I realised my reply should not have been:

"I didn't know I still needed one......"

[xlr8ed1]

it is only one inch at best in length + if you have a gap in the door
it is not hard (hence the roll pins to stop cutting the bolt as well) to get onto the bolt

as for english made locks - you guys had the right ideas but just poor methods to making them. as soon as it was close just rip into it with a file. Some of the old nightlatch cly had file marks from the factory!!
As for the era lock - sometime there was two wafers inbetween levers needed to get the to work (sometimes none as well)
Chubb safe locks as well!!! they are made in the smith clock factory (which make shit clocks as well) wobble around the dial they do!!

lets not talk about your motors either that is another post !!! lol

[toomush2drink]

Well ive yet to see a chubb i could force the bolt back on when its fitted properly maybe they arent fitted as well down under ? What about the keep too, dont you use them ? Im a bit confused on this i understand how on an internal door you may be able to do this but not an external door.

slightly off topic now.
As for the cars ac cobra anyone ? TVR ,caterham as well, not well known but very very quick. The ac cobra is the reason we have our speed limit because it was so fast they decided we needed a speed limit which is still in force today. The thing is that car still has ferrari speed and yet it is so old. Think 0-60mph in 4 seconds and you get my drift.I agree our mainstream cars are crap but the smaller handbuilt cars are fantastic. Remember the film swordfish well that had a was a TVR travolta was driving, enough said.

[Romstar]

slightly off topic now.
As for the cars ac cobra anyone ? TVR ,caterham as well, not well known but very very quick. The ac cobra is the reason we have our speed limit because it was so fast they decided we needed a speed limit which is still in force today. The thing is that car still has ferrari speed and yet it is so old. Think 0-60mph in 4 seconds and you get my drift.I agree our mainstream cars are crap but the smaller handbuilt cars are fantastic. Remember the film swordfish well that had a was a TVR travolta was driving, enough said.

Yeah, off topic, but you might want to check your history. The AC Cobra was a car without an engine, and without a name. AC Cars of Thames-Ditton was using a six cylinder Bristol engine for it's two seat roadster. The production name of that vehicle eludes me.
Somehow in 1960, 61 AC loses it's source for this engine. In September, 1961, Caroll Shelby writes to AC Cars and requests that they continue production of the chassis and body for a Shelby sports car to be powered by an American V-8 engine.
The following month, Charles Hurlock, the owner of AC Cars replies to Shelby indicating that he would be interested IF a suitable engine could be found in the US.
Shelby learns of the new Ford thin-wall 221 small block, and decides on a similar engine. Shelby contacts Dave Evans, outlining his idea for the car, and his needs.

In Febuary of 1962, Hurlock air freights the first of the 260 Roadsters to Shelby, minus engine and transmission. Shelby claims the name "Cobra" came to him in a dream. Reportedly, he woke in the middle of the night, and scribbled the word Cobra on a bed side notepad. When seeing it the next morning, he says, "I just knew it was right".
It took Shelby and Dean Moon less than eight hours to install a new Ford 260 high output engine, and Borg-Warner transmission.

That first day, Shelby and Moon test drive the first new Cobra.

By 1968, the last brand new 427 Cobra Roadster is sold by Caroll Shelby. By December of 1969, Shelby Automotive Racing Company closes it's doors.
It would be 1989 before Caroll Shelby would build another Cobra. This was the 427 Cobra S/C. Cars Shelby claims were left over from the 1966 project.
In 1993, Caroll Shelby traveled to the UK, and among other things, gives his seal of approval to Cobra replicas produced by RAM Automotive in Essex. These cars are allowed to use the Shelby name and they carry chassis numbers starting with CSX4001.

I'm sure I left a lot of things out, but that's the gist of the AC Cobra.

Romstar

[Safekey]

I would be willing to bet money on a British Standard Chubb Mortice Lock against any Australian made mortice.

[Romstar]

I would be willing to bet money on a British Standard Chubb Mortice Lock against any Australian made mortice.

I'm now taking bets.

Anyone want to help me make book on this little shooting match?

Romstar

[Safekey]

Seriously, a little test of strength trial would be interesting.
Anyone willing to take up the challenge

[t007]

hi
any ideas as to the theory as to how impressioning can open a mortice lock (BS or otherwise)
regards
t007

[t007]

[Prodigy]

guys, i did my apprenticeship at CHUBB and we can eat them in approx 5-10 min by either picking or my impressoning tool. I know you guys have said it before but guys they and most lever locks are easy to open.

3g114, 110's and safe locks 6K75 7 & 8 levers, 6K121, 2M22's

Unions, Leggie


As I have stated before unfortunately the real skills ahve gone from the trade. I have and use a huge array of tools that i have made and bought. from endoscopes opthalmascopes and lever picking systems.

I have alot of locks coverd. what exer8thed ment is that the gaps in the door frames are a little larger down here purely because of the weather and this is exploited by filling a slot in the bolt then forcing it back with a force bar.

not my thing personally not for this artist anyway.

keep ya head down

[Safekey]

If we had a bench test for example, what Australian made mortice lock would you enter in the competition ?

I'm not talking about picking or drilling, just strength.

[toomush2drink]

Ok now i understand a little about the forcing back of the bolt but it would be very hard to do that over here with the way they are fitted. I assuming your chubb s ie 114 is the same as ours with a curtain, anti saw bolt and 1000 differs and an antidrill plate ? This is what makes ours a 3621 british standard mortice lock, just wondering if you have british standards down under in another form ? I like the picks for these locks too as they can do a very professional job with practice.
So what about safekeys thought ?

[kitbearuk]

[quote="xlr8ed1"]those are some nice pics

for those not in the know the difference between the chubb and the ERA locks has to do with the stump. The chubb uses only a brass stump which can easily be forced across (brass being very soft.) The era uses a solid steel stump (just look at the pics) which makes it hard to force open - this was its main selling point.

You will also notice some of the levers have half mooned shaped machined off them. The reason for this is so that high cuts dont pick up the lever next them. Indeed if you ever cut a mortice key the high cuts are slways alittle thinner then deep cuts in order to allow the levers to fall into the deep cuts of the key. Some locks avoid this by putting little spacers inbetween the levers (like the ERA)

the problem with era locks (apart from being english made) is that the spring tension on the levers is very weak and can be easily picked with a modified key blank that will decode the lock (only five cuts) which if you have space and depth keys then a key can be made.[/quote]


Wash Your mouth out with soap and water
British locks are among the best in the world, If You have a Chubb You will know what I am talking about.

Example: 5 lever
7 lever
12 lever (safe and prison)
15 lever (high security safe and prison)

Have You ever seen a Chubb Isolator safelock???

[jason]

Going back into this post before it went a tad off topic, the detainer type levers are used for commercial properties not only because of the number of difffers but also because locks such as the 110 have a shallower backset meaning that they are able to be set into the stile of a glazed door.