product called pickbuster

[digital_blue]

I would think a good degreaser would do the trick, though probably not without disassembling the lock. Kerosene would likely work as well.

Seems to me if someone was inclined to actually put a good test on the product, it wouldn't be hard to do. Set up a couple identical locks side by side and treat one. Then purposefully expose both locks to a variety of particles... dust, sand, etc.. then see which of the locks stands up best. That'd tell you if there are long term detrimental effects.

db

[lockey1963]

The long term affects on a cylinder are supposedly negligable, retreatment is advised every 2 years, and the cleaner that removes it is reported to clean out just about any other foreign objects in the lock.

although convinced of pickbusters ability to be a cost effective prevention to bumping, im not yet convinced of its long term effect on cylinders in coastal regions etc, but until effective test results are available im open minded on this.

Ive tried cleaning it out with various cleaning agents, some were successfull enough for me to bump the lock, though within 12 hours the substance had restated itself rendering the lock unbumpable again.

many people have reported cleaning it out enough to bump, though their tests were not on the door, but on the bench where it was easy to apply an agent deep into the cylinder, on the door without an applicator to get right into the cylinder, it is difficult to apply an agent well enough.

Its worth remembering that it is not reported to make a cylinder bump proof, but bump resistent, and at under 50p a treatment is far more cost effective to those on a budget than an unbumpable high end cylinder.
Obviously as locksmiths we would all prefer to advise and sell a top end bump proof cylinder, but sadly we must do the best we can for the customers budget.

Its not the end answer to preventing bump attack, but has a place in the tool box as a low cost bump prevention product to offer those on a budget.

Its all of these questions i hope people will ask of almore at the open day, i would imagine they have the answers and test results, after all they made the stuff.

[maxxed]

I would like to see haw this product holds up against brake cleaner.
I would hesitate to use any product that slows down the pins because freezing temperatures should slow down the movement even more. We can experience temperatures of -40 and much colder for a days, I would not want this product to prevent proper operation of the lock at these temperatures.

[cav_king]

It makes me wonder whether this product can be over applied? This could cause the exact problems highlighted above. That seems like a very big can!

The other problem with this product (I think) - Is that when the common thief find out the substance to remove this product from the lock, the product would then be rendered useless - Wouldnt it?

~CK

[ponsaloti]

cav-king,
do you honestly think a thief no- matter how common, is going to bother hanging around bumping ? how long do you think he`s going to stand at the same door tapping away ? he`s going to walk away or go in thru the door or window.
If some la la can sit on her very royale magesty`s bed an read her a bed-time storey, then they can get into most residential properties. Because most people spend more money on their pets than they do on security ,the basic idea is to encourage the toe rags to go next door, this is what bus-pickster hopefully helps to do.

[crazyman]

Its called pickbuster so does it stop picking to or just bumping?

[UWSDWF]

just bumping....

[toomush2drink]

Actually this stuff does make locks a lot more pick resistant even electric pick guns etc.
I know it was tested on a bird cylinder (falls open when it see a pick nearby type lock) and the cylinder was a struggle to open with a wendt gun after treatment.
Also a few councils are treating their locks with it on all new doors so its going to cause problems.

[JackNco]

Actually this stuff does make locks a lot more pick resistant even electric pick guns etc.
I know it was tested on a bird cylinder (falls open when it see a pick nearby type lock) and the cylinder was a struggle to open with a wendt gun after treatment.
Also a few councils are treating their locks with it on all new doors so its going to cause problems.

I have been told it can damage the blades on a pick gun in some cases. although i have only herd this once.

i can see it being a problem till someone figures out how 2 flush it out.

John

[crazyman]

How about just burning pick buster out with something like this

http://www.guildfordlocks.com/toolsextras.htm

or am i just pulling at straws

[Schuyler]

How about just burning pick buster out with something like this

http://www.guildfordlocks.com/toolsextras.htm

or am i just pulling at straws

looks like they could sell you both products, if you'd like to give it a go

http://www.guildfordlocks.com/toolspickbuster.htm

[jhl]

The long term affects on a cylinder are supposedly negligable, retreatment is advised every 2 years, and the cleaner that removes it is reported to clean out just about any other foreign objects in the lock.

...so any determined bumping thief will wander around with a can of the official cleaner, and all is back to normal, except for the sticky locks

[globallockytoo]

Actually this stuff does make locks a lot more pick resistant even electric pick guns etc.
I know it was tested on a bird cylinder (falls open when it see a pick nearby type lock) and the cylinder was a struggle to open with a wendt gun after treatment.
Also a few councils are treating their locks with it on all new doors so its going to cause problems.

I have been told it can damage the blades on a pick gun in some cases. although i have only herd this once.

i can see it being a problem till someone figures out how 2 flush it out.

John

Nail polish remover is cheap and available everywhere.

[JackNco]

ide be happy if that worked. but im sure it wont.

[toomush2drink]

How are you going to apply all these things you list to flush it out ? Ok euros are easy as the pins are sat the bottom but what about normal yales etc ? I cant see any criminal walking around with all these solvents just in case its been treated.
The whole point of bumping is its a quick and easy method of entry, which pickbuster prevents by creating time.Criminals hate to have to take too much time to get in in normal situations.
Like it or not its going to make an impact and the ICL is leading the way with it and its already being demonstrated to police forces and councils alike as a cheap and cost effective defense against bumping.