Query on deadbolts. NEED HELP

by **roth** » 13 May 2004 23:31

Can someone please help me with the inner workings of a deadbolt lock.
I need to know the essentials like:

- what they look like on the inside, eg. internal diagrams
- how they are made
- how they operate

things like that.

You can give an answer in your reply or you can give me a link that would lead me to an answer.
All help is appreciated.

by **WhiteHat** » 13 May 2004 23:36

The lock itself is just the same as any other lock - depending on the brand. it's picked exactly the same way, except that you may have to turn the lock 360 degrees.

when you turn past the 180 degree mark, put your pick flat side up into the keyway and press against where the bottom of the key would have been as you turn. this prevents the drivers from falling into the keyway and preventing movement.

as for the actual mechanism itself - I'm sure that if you search a couple of lock manufacturer websites you'll find some diagrams.

by **Chucklz** » 14 May 2004 8:22

What exactly do you need with regards to manufacture and "how they operate" Are you looking to pick a deadbolt, or service one or what?

Do you know what brand you want to work with etc?

Have you tried purchasing a 10$ one and taking it apart?

by **Varjeal** » 14 May 2004 11:04

There are many varieties of deadbolts from dime store product to high security. Some of the principles and most of the parts are different between brands. We'll need to know SPECIFICS in order to help you better. ie. What kind of deadbolts are we talking about here?

by **technik** » 15 May 2004 1:20

read the MIT dude, it'll answer all your questions, if not, then post

by **roth** » 25 May 2004 19:51

Thanks alot for your advice fellas.

by **kuefler** » 30 May 2004 3:12

I also need help... I have a deadbolt that I get to start turning just fine, but it turns 180 and stops... I tried putting my pick flat side where the bottom of the key would be, but it still stops at 180.

Is there anything i'm missing?

by **mcm757207** » 30 May 2004 10:29

When the locks are produced most cheap(er) brands simply drill from top all the way through the bottom for the pins for some reason. So, when you turn the plug 180 degrees the driver pins up top will fall into the holes at the bottom of the plug. You can try using the flat edge of a pick to push them all up at the same time, or put a tension wrench in like you are picking the lock and forcing the drivers up one by one.

by **Romstar** » 30 May 2004 13:22

If he hasn't removed the cylinder from the housing, and it's still connected to the bolt there are two possibilities.
1. The bolt in in the lock position, meaning it's sticking out and he is turning the plug in the wrong direction.
2. The bolt is in the unlock position and it requires much more force to drive the bolt out of the lock housing.

Of course, the other option being that the upper pins are simply falling back into the plug is entirely possible.

Romstar

by **kuefler** » 30 May 2004 20:25

well I think i'm turning it the wrong way, but I have to wait until my father goes to bed... Since i've decided not to inform him of my hobby until it is necissary.

one thing though, if I put tension on the wrong way and set all the pins, will it actually turn the wrong way? I have a feeling you guys are right about what i'm doing wrong... will update later tonight when I know for sure.

P.s. I've been picking only for about a week now... I think my progress is fairly admirable. But please cut me some slack for my, obviously, dumb questions.

by **WhiteHat** » 30 May 2004 20:34

kuefler wrote:well I think i'm turning it the wrong way, but I have to wait until my father goes to bed... Since i've decided not to inform him of my hobby until it is necissary.

dude, get yourself a replacement deadbolt cylinder or a padlock (or both)
so you can practice in your own room with the door closed or elsewhere.
you don't want to run the risk of stuffing up a lock that is currently being
used to lock your house (not to mention "getting caught" by your
parents) I'm sure that they would be more accepting of your hobby if
you made it clear that you were only using locks that you bought yourself
(and not their house locks)

by **Romstar** » 30 May 2004 21:04

Yep, it sure will turn the wrong way. That's the biggest reason to own a plug spinner when you are in the business.

I agree with Whithat, get some locks of your own. Yard sales, flea markets, anywhere. Just get some.

You be the judge of whether or not you can tell you dad. It depends a lot on how well you and your parents get along, and how much they trust you I'd say.

If you think those two things are doing well, they might very well support you in your hobby. Just so long as you find a way to make it clear that you aren't going to robbing the neighbours blind.

Hell, talking to your parents might just be the fastest way to get the tools and supplies you need. Especially if you think you would like to do this as a job. It can be a very good job, and you can either become a locksmith, or it could lead to other good positions as you get older.

Just get some of your own locks though. Please.

Romstar

by **kuefler** » 30 May 2004 21:10

Any chance you might know a good cheap place to get locks? At the moment i'm broke so no new locks anyways, i'll have to settle for my house locks.

Also I'm having trouble finding any law information about locksmithing in alberta, i've searched the forums and found what people assume to be the law, but no rock hard info... so if anyone can help me on this, it would be much apreciated.

Also, does anyone know how I could get a hold of a locksmith corrospondance course, and the age of certification in canada/alberta?

by **Romstar** » 30 May 2004 21:15

kuefler wrote:Any chance you might know a good cheap place to get locks? At the moment i'm broke so no new locks anyways, i'll have to settle for my house locks.

Also I'm having trouble finding any law information about locksmithing in alberta, i've searched the forums and found what people assume to be the law, but no rock hard info... so if anyone can help me on this, it would be much apreciated.

Also, does anyone know how I could get a hold of a locksmith corrospondance course, and the age of certification in canada/alberta?

Man, if you are in Alberta, PM Varjeal. He'll be able to help you.

As for your locks, try any discount store. We have a used supply store that buys and resells overstock, and surplus building supplies. If you have anything similar, check them out.

Romstar

by **kuefler** » 30 May 2004 22:12

yep, I sure was turning it in the wrong direction... got it now guys. thanks for the help.

Query on deadbolts. NEED HELP

Query on deadbolts. NEED HELP

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