master lock depth and spacing info

[kspec]

Taken from www.fortliberty.org



Cut # Depth
0 .280"
1 .265"
2 .250"
3 .235"
4 .220"
5 .205"
6 .190"
7 .175"

well those are the cut depths, which are measured from the bottom of the blade of the key.

the distance from the shoulder to the first pin is .185" and the spacing between the pins is .125". this is all from info i read in a document. hopefully these numbers are correct. I will do some testing on these numbers as soon as i borrow my friends micrometer cheers


kspec

[Shrub]

this is all from info i read in a document.

Which one?

[jimb]

My HPC Card says

#------Depth
0-------.275
1-------.260
2-------.245
3-------.230
4-------.215
5-------.200
6-------.185
7-------.170

Spaces
1 .185
2 .310
3 .435
4 .560
5 .685

This is for the Master Standard Large Pin, there is also a Master Small Pin.

[kspec]

a document from www.fortliberty.org


http://www.fortliberty.org/military-lib ... ning.shtml

there is alot of docs on here. but im sure you've been here.

[kspec]

hey if you have a bunch of decoder cards. if your willing to share we should make a post with em , would come in handy i think for alot of people.

thanks for the info

[Shrub]

Ah, well i would tend to side with Jimb's list to be honest, HPC are usually pretty spot on,

It could be that they were changed at some point and one or the other is an older list but i dont knowe the locks that well to comment on that unfortunatley,
The differances are only fine but in the world of locks it could mean the differance between a key working or not,


If you copy somthing from somewhere could you put the source of it on the post otherwise it looks like its your work and you get credit when it should be someone else getting it

[Shrub]

hey if you have a bunch of decoder cards. if your willing to share we should make a post with em , would come in handy i think for alot of people.

thanks for the info

Please have a read of the rules,

Copyrighted material is not allowed on the forums nor is any copied material allowed on the forums,

[kspec]

true, tolerances can be very small. I will remember to post where i get the info from also.

[Jryanruch]

As a locksmith -- I've got to say I'm not a huge fan of putting spacing/depth code-cutting info out there for everyone. Legal or not, some things should stay with the trade. Just my opinion.

[kspec]

not a problem everyone has the right to give information or not.

[jimb]

As a locksmith -- I've got to say I'm not a huge fan of putting spacing/depth code-cutting info out there for everyone. Legal or not, some things should stay with the trade. Just my opinion.

Did you know this was a hobby lock picking site? How do you feel about these guys teaching members and visitors how to pick locks? Or how do you feel about them teaching members and visitors how to make and use a bump keys? I'd love to hear your concern for posting depth and spacing info?

[kspec]

ops, sorry. im usually really good when it comes to the rules on this site. I apologize.

ok so if i find the info out for myself, like i measure the depths and spacing myself, I can release that info if i want, right?

[Jryanruch]

As a locksmith -- I've got to say I'm not a huge fan of putting spacing/depth code-cutting info out there for everyone. Legal or not, some things should stay with the trade. Just my opinion.

Did you know this was a hobby lock picking site? How do you feel about these guys teaching members and visitors how to pick locks? Or how do you feel about them teaching members and visitors how to make and use a bump keys? I'd love to hear your concern for posting depth and spacing info?

It's too late to stop people from learning to pick and bump locks - the information is out a million places besides here. But that is only a portion of what I do for a living. The rest that requires privileged knowledge I would prefer to see stay privileged knowledge.. But again. I'm not saying kspec is a bad guy, I'm just saying I'm not a fan for sharing that kind of info with non-lockies.

[Jryanruch]

As a locksmith -- I've got to say I'm not a huge fan of putting spacing/depth code-cutting info out there for everyone. Legal or not, some things should stay with the trade. Just my opinion.

Did you know this was a hobby lock picking site? How do you feel about these guys teaching members and visitors how to pick locks? Or how do you feel about them teaching members and visitors how to make and use a bump keys? I'd love to hear your concern for posting depth and spacing info?

It's too late to stop people from learning to pick and bump locks - the information is out a million places besides here. But that is only a portion of what I do for a living. The rest that requires privileged knowledge I would prefer to see stay privileged knowledge.. But again. I'm not saying kspec is a bad guy, I'm just saying I'm not a fan for sharing that kind of info with non-lockies.

[Squelchtone]

As a locksmith -- I've got to say I'm not a huge fan of putting spacing/depth code-cutting info out there for everyone. Legal or not, some things should stay with the trade. Just my opinion.

that's totally what I call "security through obscurity" maybe if people knew how sloppy locks like Defiant and Kwikset and Master #3 padlocks really were they're stop buying garbage at Home Depot or Lowe's.

That's like keeping a list of air filters and spark plugs for a car secret so only mechanics can change out spark plugs and airfilters and god forbid someone put out a list of the cylinder bore diameter for a Chevy, if that were to happen people would bore larger diameters and get bigger pistons and have muscle cars! the car dealers would go out of business and not sell any cars, right?

cmon man.. I dont buy that 1950's locksmith attitude that if people have some general technical facts about the size/measurements of locks and such that they will use it for evil. As far as bumping, it's a fad, and I'll tell ya, I'm a very good hobby picker, but I suck at bumping. So you cant expect EVERY 16 year old on the internet to have 100% success with a bump key. It takes practice and patience just like any other hobby or job.

I can agree that file cabinet wafer key code books should not be sold on ebay but other than that, who cares if someone knows the depth of a #9 pin for Schlage?

imho
Squelchtone