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Investigative Locksmith "school"

This is the old Locksmith business info area and will be broken down to fill in the new sections below.

Investigative Locksmith "school"

Postby Eyes_Only » 20 Feb 2007 19:09

I was doing a little searching on Google on Investigative Locksmiths and look what I found, http://ioil.org/ . Looks real cheesy but I thought it was interesting enough to post.
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Postby keysman » 20 Feb 2007 21:41

The people who run that school are somehow affiliated with ALOA.. probably gave them some money or something… in my opinion ALOA has stooped to new lows even acknowledging them as anything other than frauds .

Wanna have some fun with them ?

Contact them about their “ classes” , ask about their certification program . Prepare for the “HYPE”. When they are finished telling you how wonderful and well respected they are . ask for some actual court cases where they or anyone they certified actually testified.. sit back and enjoy the “ shuffle” .. They have never testified in a court case .. the only conclusions they can draw from their investigations are what MAY have happened, any 1st year law student would rip new body orifices in them and their “ Expert Witness” program..
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Postby kodierer » 21 Feb 2007 5:11

The founder or whatever he is has some nice education credentials, but his work credentials are all that he was in the military forever, and none of his work history says he worked as a security expert, locksmith, or forensic anything.
Probably some good things to learn, but mostly its probably a bunch of BS.
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movies

Postby raimundo » 21 Feb 2007 12:16

In the movies, the guy looks at the face of the lock and sees some scratching then he gets a lightbulb over his head and declares that the lock has been picked, the evidence is the scratches in the varnish over the lock finish, Usually he also means picked just recently as well, This I must point out is not real forensics. its cliche movie forenzks
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Postby pauly003 » 21 Feb 2007 19:54

Who knows??? With training from a course like that you might just end up doing some freelance work for the cops. There are probably better courses to spend your money on. good luck
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stench

Postby raimundo » 24 Feb 2007 10:16

you could be on csi, lookin through the microscope at the pins, and saying profound lines. hitten yer mark. just stay away from real csi, it stinks.
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IOIL manual

Postby Peter Martin » 25 Jun 2007 12:40

I contacted this organization a few years ago.

They were kind enough to send me their manual. The manual is marginally useful, but is overly general. A large portion of this manual has to do with automobile theft and arson investigations--because so many vehicles are stolen and then torched, either as owner fraud, or because they were used in crimes. This necessarily requires a determination whether a key was used, force was applied (normally clearly visible), or some surreptious means was used.

The manual has some investigative forms to help conduct burglary investigations and ways to document entry/exit. It also covers basic criminal investigation--which seems to be a copy of the FBI's Forensic Laboratory Handbook (available at www.fbi.gov). There is also a section on legal procedure, and proper evidence photography--both seem overly detailed.

There is one section which covers lock evidence--including examination of pins and cylinders under a microscope. However there was little information about how to write reports of findings, preserving the lock evidence, presentation of evidence in court, etc. What is missing is a good protocol for handling evidence and keeping a detailed chain of custody.

IMHO, the organization should have included a copy of the ASTM Standards and Practices for Evidence and Proper Collection--which are good guidelines for preserving evidence in civil cases.

The organization seems to make the assumption that a locksmith with enough training, can testify as an forensic expert. I disagree. If such a determination is required in a criminal case, it would be performed by a law enforcement laboratory. I think that people interested in this field would be better off with an organization like AFTE (Assoc of Toolmark and Firearms Examiners). In fact, AFTE and the Journal of Forensic Sciences have published articles on the subject--which are peer-reviewed by other scientists.

And "No"--I cannot share this manual with anyone else. It is copyrighted and contains someone's work product.
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Postby Raccoon » 25 Jun 2007 17:42

Whatever you guys did since February, that site no longer exists today 4 months later.

http://ioil.org/
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Postby pickmonger » 26 Jun 2007 3:57

try a better url

http://www.iail.org/index.htm

worked for me as of 4:56 am 26/06/2007

Mind you there does not seem to be much worth looking at.
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