High security locks and lockout calls

[zeke79]

I gotcha now . To be fair though. Most of my retained codes are family and friends.

[Jaakko]

I'm not a working locksmith (or Abloy certified) but I do know how locksmiths deal with these issues when the lock is Abloy (as it "always" is): If it is Classic or very old Profile, they cut it or drill it, as there is no point in trying to open it intact. If it is Disklock/Pro, Exec, Protec or CLIQ, then the Abloy certified locksmith can get the key info and keys from Abloy directly.

Very convenient system and reliable

[raimundo]

there is an old custom in spain, perhaps still used in some neighborhoods, in which there is a night watchman, who holds keys to all the houses on the block, and when people come home at night they clap there hands and this guy comes up and opens the door for them.
Sorta makes you think of days when someone went around and lit the streetlights by hand and called out the hours with an alls well.
Ive forgotten what the persons title is, but its nice to know that societies have been settled enough to trust like that.

[seajay]

I can always get a alarm sale after from the customer when I get in so e-z So why pick the hc lock?







Please read the rules, post removed due to the rules

[TOWCH]

Not trying to be ungrateful, as I did learn from your post, but check out the advanced forums information and get a feeling for what we don't allow discussed in the public forums of this site.

I'm afraid the hair dryer trick you just mentioned probably crosses the line. Welcome to the site.

[Shrub]

Its a bad thing to hear when a noob comes on bragging that they pray on customers,

Ive removed most of your post as its not suitable for the open sections,

The next post i have to remove of edit on this thread gets it moved to the advanced sections,

[seajay]

Do the professionals actually attempt to pick the lock or do you look for an alternative NDE method or do you usually have to refer the work somewhere else (is there anywhere else to turn to?)?[/quote]

[seajay]

The point was you don't need to break thing to get in. Locks alone don't keep the BAD PEOPLE out it takes good doors and windows to. The point of an alarm is to make the BAD PEOPLE not want to stay when they do get in. Bad people don't use picks, drills or hair dryers they take way to long. When you can just kick in door.

[UWSDWF]

hmmmm.... you obviously don't get the point do you?.... I mean do you even get the point of this thread? since you are going to send it to the advanced section..... wait, do you even get the point of this site?... or how about the concept of following the rules?....

[lunchb0x]

seajay, maybe you should read all the posts in the thread including the first one, because then you will see that the question wasnt "how to break in to someones house", the question was "what does a pro locksmith do when they have an opening and the lock is a restricted key", like bilock, abloy and multi lock

now any locksmith and alot of the people on here know that there is more than one way into a house car or what ever, and if you read the rules for the forum you will see that these methods are not talked about on the open forum, like this one

[Raccoon]

Even more to the point, this thread asks a critical question:

"If you encounter a high security lock (hence restricted keyway), do you attempt to contact the locksmith or other person (key master) who was in charge of installing the high security lock?"

The correct answer should be yes. Because all high security locks have a paper trail leading to some authority with the capability to duplicate or replace keys. Odds are, if you weren't in charge of installing the lock, you shouldn't be working on it "no ifs ands or buts" because you neither possess the ability to replace the lock, nor the authority to duplicate keys.

There is only one exception. That is if your objective is to completely destroy the lock (and all locks in the system), and replace it with something different.

[Shrub]

I can always get a alarm sale after from the customer when I get in so e-z So why pick the hc lock?

The point i was making is this,

You put the customer in a position that makes them feel insecure ON PURPOSE to SELL them an ALARM, now if that isnt bad ethic and practice i dont know what is, or at least thats how you come across,

A real pro will get in NDE 99% of the time,

I havent come up against anything yet that ive been unable to get past, if i can not get in somthing i could ring a friend in the business to see if they can help,
As i have no local competition passing work on isnt really an option, if entry is needed then entry is gained if your not up to the job you shouldnt be doing it, this is where all the practiceing comes in and in most other cases good training to begin with,

Raccoon,
You make a very very interesting point there that im gogin to think about for the rest of the day but as a quick thoughtless coment i am gogin to say no i do not contact the previous installer, the systems used here could mean the previous installer was someone from far out of town and likely to have been completed many many years ago,
My pont being that even if i could get hold of the original fitter its unlikely they could help,

But the question is still there, imagine its a fresh fit and the lockie is round the corner,
You know i think pig headedness would tell me not to give business to my imediate competition (in reality i dont have any so maybe if i did i would have a working relationship with them),

Theres not a lot i cant do and what i would do on a system that is matched is to match the product and key alike, if the lock has to be replaced and i dont have one in stock then i will fit a replacement lock for free until the proper one comes next day (in most cases) then i go back for free and fit the new lock,

[Raccoon]

I also believe my post is dependent on a specific definition of high security. One that is suggestive of controlled keyways and sidebars with systems that a locksmith must buy into for exclusive distribution. Not just a very well built lock with easily attained/generic keys.