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Impressioning Qs

Having read the FAQ's you are still unfulfilled and seek more enlightenment, so post your general lock picking questions here.
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Postby Shrub » 2 Jul 2007 7:25

I think youve not understood the way impressioning works,

It would have been the proper thing to do to post your questions on the impressioning thread as then its all together, what youve done here is made a new thread that has already got some good info on it and yet the two cant be read together,

Please think about this when making new threads,



As regards your issues, im a little hesitant in posting a reply foir the above reasons, i would like my reply to your question in the impressioning thread so it may help others but thers not a lot we can do about that now :roll:
I dont think you understand impressioning much and that could have been addressed better on the other thread, i dont mean to go on but it annoys me,

When a pin is at the correct height it is now resting on the cut in the key and has no top pin pressing on it,
Turning the key a bit doesnt catch the pin on the casement either when its at the correct height so theres simply no marks made,

Now that said, if your not useing decent magnfiacation or got great sight then you can easily miss a no mark and file again or you can more likely cut to deep with the file on the last strokes to depth,
What this does is to drop the pin belwo shear which obviously lets the top pin drop below shear and you again start to get marks,

Miss the marks and youll end up with a bumpkey,

You dont get marks on every spacing no matter how hard you tension the lock, its the same as picking, you find the binding pin and pick that, some locks get more than one binding pin so you let of the tension the differance is in impressioning you can get marks from all those pins and then file them al a little but as for a lock giving a mark for every pin in one go i dont think its easily possable,

That all said im no expert on impressioning and still need to practice a lot on it myself, i used a box of 50 keys last month playing around and tried every idea i could think of and the only way i found to dspeed the process up is to use space and depth keys and cut to the next height on each mark but it doesnt alays work if indeed you miss the mark,

The idea of dropping down the number of pins is a supurb one that was said to me a while ago by someone i know as the best impressioner i know and it works well, i started with 3 pins myself and got a key first time whereby i couldnt on the same lock witht he extra 2 pins in, then i went to 4 then the 5 and got that in the end, good light and magnifacation is a must,

As regards files, triangle files with flat on are ok if they work on the lock you want it for but most do not have flat bottom cuts so i think if you stick to the norm and do as everyone else suggests you will not veer from the path to much,

When impressioning i find that everyone including me becomes an inventer and decides that they know better of can work an easier technique out but al it does is to hold up progress and in some cases mean you will never actually get it down right,

Get a good clamp, a good light, a good magnifier and a good file and just practice the exact methods described in the impressioning thread, trying to come up with short cuts etc before you can do it properly is only stepping you back, theres no easy ways to do it,

If you are after videos etc then its a bit thin on the ground because present video quality doesnt really give out the detail needed to see the marks on film, the best solution i can offer is to look up olivers impressioning book as it looks amazing its just a shame he hasnt replied to my last email to him asking where to send my money to get my own copy so i suggest you dont hold your breath on trying to get hold of one from him, i see Chris Belcher has it listed on his site so when he gets the english version in ill buy it off him instead,

I hope this has been some use, im no expert and can only repeat what ive been told on this, i didnt mean to come across so harsh at the begining but i pull my hair out over threads like this that should and could have simply been posted on the actual thread made for this subject, now we have a few posts with good info on them that are never gogin to be seen by those useing the proper thread to read up on the technique so i guess they will do the same and post another new thread for a question,
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Postby Trip Doctor » 2 Jul 2007 14:39

It's definetly been of use Shrub.
I understood impressioning a bit wrong, and so I thought this was going to be more of a quicky noob clearification thing, which is why I didn't post in the other thread (I'm against posting in guide threads for some reason o_O), but even then I guess it would have been better to post in the existing thread, I'll keep that in mind next time :wink: .

Perhaps you guys should be able to merge a thread and its posts into an existing thread somehow (not that I'd know how, not exactly a forum technitian).

Well, thanks for clarifying these things for me guys. Sorry for the extra thread, I'll make sure to post in existing threads next time, don't want Shrub to go bald now. :P
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Postby freakparade3 » 2 Jul 2007 14:44

Trip Doctor wrote: don't want Shrub to go bald now. :P


It would be a shame for Shrub to lose his foliage. :lol:
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Postby UWSDWF » 2 Jul 2007 14:52

*ba-bump-ting*

Thanks ladies and gentlemen freakparade3 will be in the lounge all night
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Postby Jimmie » 2 Jul 2007 15:24

I've been impressioning pin locks for a while ... just some advices

use a round or half round swiss file N° 6 or at least N° 4

I never try a pippin file so I cannot give you any advice on

when a pin will reach the shear line and will be ready to be set ... you will see a particular typical mark ... like a "crater" ... just file out this mark ... no more ...

otherwise before these particular good marks you can file out different marks on different location on the key blade if you are sure it is a mark ...

file it out if you're sure .. if you're not ... don't file out ... it will mark again later ...

sometimes you see a mark's stopping to mark then marking again later ... it appears on security pins or because this particular pin is not "trapped"

when there is no mark ... or if you have a doubt ... DON'T FILE !! ...

file square !! you will see the marks better !!

a good thing to know is how much metal you file out with one file stroke using only outward strokes ...

clean up your file with a metallic brush cause a small metal particle on your file can make a mark looking like an impressioning mark

use a good magnifier and a small vice grip or an impressioning handle

a pinning gauge can help you to learn impressioning ... the most difficult is blind impressioning in particular the first steps to locate the pin spaces on the blanks ...

it is a really good versatile technique to know ... it works, on pin, wafer, dimple and lever locks even on laser track locks so ...

it is worth to learn it
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Postby Trip Doctor » 2 Jul 2007 22:04

Haha, Nice once Freakparade.

Thanks for the advice Jimmie.
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Postby Rodfather23 » 2 Jul 2007 23:43

I just have to add this ................so I was visiting my girlfriend today and there is a locksmith right across from where she lives. I called the number that was on his sign out front and asked him how much he charged for just KW1 and SC1 blanks. $1.65 he said Is that how much most locksmiths charge per blank?? I got my other ones b4 at a hardware store for 75 cents each. I'm going to order a box of 50 tomorrow.
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Postby aussielocky » 3 Jul 2007 1:07

Rodfather23 wrote:I just have to add this ................so I was visiting my girlfriend today and there is a locksmith right across from where she lives. I called the number that was on his sign out front and asked him how much he charged for just KW1 and SC1 blanks. $1.65 he said Is that how much most locksmiths charge per blank?? I got my other ones b4 at a hardware store for 75 cents each. I'm going to order a box of 50 tomorrow.


Many locksmiths don't sell blanks, after all there is not much profit in it, what you need to find is a wholesaler or supply house. The hard bit is getting them to sell to you, but if they do you should pay a lot less than $1.65, or 75c
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Postby Shrub » 3 Jul 2007 5:00

Trip,

We cant merge threads hence why we get so upset (or at least i do) if we could merge i assume most of you wouldnt even hear from me on a day to day basis as i would be able to sort most issues out without comment,

Eitherway its here now and theres some good info on here so its will stay and im sure be active,


Im glad Jimmie has made some imput, he is the best person i know at impressioning, if he cant do it the lock cant be impressioned imho,
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Postby Shrub » 3 Jul 2007 5:02

Ps, rod, i will not sell blanks full stop, but trade they are around 20-30 cents each (if ive got my conversions right),
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Postby Trip Doctor » 3 Jul 2007 10:27

Lockpicks.com has some they sell for 13 to 50 cents a peice.
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Postby freakparade3 » 3 Jul 2007 11:48

Best prices i have found are at www.mysecuritypro.com
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Postby Rodfather23 » 3 Jul 2007 13:46

I actually found them a lil cheaper here freak

http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=293
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Impressioning

Postby greyman » 3 Jul 2007 16:57

Just a small plug here for a friend who just wrote a book on Impressioning. The original book is in German, but the English version has just appeared. ISBN 9783000213083. The book is called: Impressioning - analytic view, technical procedure, forensic report. It has the following email address on page 1: info@tresoroeffnung.de

It is self published, so you probably have to contact the author if you are interested.
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Re: Impressioning

Postby Rodfather23 » 3 Jul 2007 18:00

greyman wrote:Just a small plug here for a friend who just wrote a book on Impressioning. The original book is in German, but the English version has just appeared. ISBN 9783000213083. The book is called: Impressioning - analytic view, technical procedure, forensic report. It has the following email address on page 1: info@tresoroeffnung.de

It is self published, so you probably have to contact the author if you are interested.



How much is it?


and does it come in pdf?


impressioning has really sparked my interest I must say.......it is just amazing to me that it can be done.
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