tension wrench length

[Jaakko]

Torque wrench... tension wrench... who cares!

Me of course, because it should be torsion wrench ...just kidding, for me this whole issue is meaningless, I prefer tensioner, torsion sounds like blackmailing and torque is something to do with gone in sixty seconds

[rakemaster]

check out rakemaster, his posts skipped from 2004 to 2007, i woulda forgot my password and had to restart after such a long time :D :lol: :P

They did? I've been posting slowly and steadily I thought. But maybe college kept me from actually posting as much as I thought I was.

[rakemaster]

check out rakemaster, his posts skipped from 2004 to 2007, i woulda forgot my password and had to restart after such a long time :D :lol: :P

They did? I've been posting slowly and steadily I thought. But maybe college kept me from actually posting as much as I thought I was.

[rakemaster]

check out rakemaster, his posts skipped from 2004 to 2007, i woulda forgot my password and had to restart after such a long time :D :lol: :P

They did? I've been posting slowly and steadily I thought. But maybe college kept me from actually posting as much as I thought I was.

[rakemaster]

I don't know why that posted 3 times - sorry!

[Shrub]

You cant teach me anything about engineering but i guess thats my big head coming out,

The point is, do you call a plane a plane or a plane a boeing 747 mark 6 revision 8 with the extra 4 seats?

You call it a plane and everyone knows what you mean,

The tension wrench is a name for the tool not a description of what it does,

We are a hobby site and teaching new people to the sprt how to pick locks, if people like you start banding out names that are NOT commoinly known then you start mixing up the noobs and that helps no-one,

A tension wrench is called a tension wrench regardless of what the actual force applied is, a bicycle isnt called a 2 wheeled pedal powered human transport vehicle is it?

If you have a search around you will find that theres a 5 or 6 page thread on this where every man and his dog jumped in with a comment, i made a post there actually describeing forces and names of things etc and why products with a name are popular and yet others arent, i half suspect it was likely yourself who started the last argument on it as ive not heard it from anywhere else even specialest texts but then again i tend to do things and not spend all day reading about them,

To be honest i couldnt careless but it is the same as me calling you masterofraking, it may not be the actual name for you but it may be a better description even though no-one knows you as that,

Its the noobs we think about here and mixing them up any more than they already are is a bad idea,

[rakemaster]

Are you seriously suggesting that you didn't know what I was talking about when I refered to a torque wrench?

I prefer not to use what I consider misleading, incorrect terminology. I'm not the first person to make that point that tension is incorrect in this context. Actually, I wasn't even trying to make any kind of point here. I was just using the term I usually use, and that all my friends here at college use. YOU were the one who "corrected" me and tried to turn this into a discussion about terminology.

I don't care what you call it. If you want to call it a tension wrench, that's fine with me. I'll understand what you mean. But don't try to require me to call it that, too, OK?

[Shrub]

I prefer not to use what I consider misleading, incorrect terminology.

So i assume your not gogin to be childish and insist on useing the incorrect names then, thats great,

I knew what you meant as im used to trying to understand kids useing the wrong terms but other noobs may not know what the hell your on about and quite rightly as well, and that is my point, things are standardised for a reason and no-one else calls them anything but tension wrenches,

But if you want to act like an arse go ahead, i shall comment on it everytime i see you useing it so that noobs can understand what your talking about and everyone else will simply laugh at you useing the wrong name for it,

I know lets get rid of the name lockpicking as its not really is it, unless your looking at a shelf of locks and your decideing which one you want there is no other way this could be called lockpicking so i may a move to call this hobby 'Opening locks without the keys' is that ok for you?

If you want to get on your high horse and start argueing i can argue that your term for tension wrench is also wrong but more so but i fear i sahll simply be wasting my time as i obviously already have, you come here to learn but refuse to so whats with that?
Abbreviations and names for things have been around since man can speak i could call you a wanker but it doesnt make you one in real life does it?

Im bored with this argument and i suspect you will always think your right regardless of whats said so you go do what you want and ill carry on doing it right

[rakemaster]

Clearly, you've got some sort of problem with me Shrub, although I don't know what it's about. You think I'm being an "arse" by using the terminology as I learned it? You're simply wrong that no one calls it anything but a tension wrench. Everyone in the LP community at my school calls it a torque tool. The Gerry Finch lockpicking book (an excellent book, by the way) and crypto.com guide use it that way too. It's just a different (and in my opinion more correct) term. You can use whatever term you want.

I'm not the one here who made an issue of it, YOU did, and I'm honestly confused as to why you're using your authority as a site administor to pick a fight with me over this. I think I've made many contributions to threads here over the years, and you're treating me like some kind of troll.

I'll go away if you'd like, though.

[Shrub]

Personally i would like you to go away but im here for the site and its members and the opinion of those is that we dont want to loose members,m

Im not picking a fight other than you seem to in insist on useing the incorrect name for one of the most important lockpicking tools out there,

Go to a shop and ask for a torque wrench and you will get one, my point is a torque wrench is a name given to a tool for applieing a set amount of torque on the item is being used on, a tension wrench is whats used for picking locks,

You come here and try to change history and names that are world renown not just anme known by your school mates,

Now youve said your still in school i can see where your maturity comes from (you wont be told, you are best and know better, an attitude that stinks),

You suggest im abuseing my power? can you please tell me where and how? i havent removed your crap and i havent locked or removed the thread so whats up? if you mean site admin and moderators arent allowed their own opinions then your wrong i assure you as im one of the most opinionated on here but i do learn and am willing to learn, you however are not or at least that the imprtession that comes across,

The impression i and others have of you is that youve decided you want to call it a torque wrench and wont be told any differant,

Its nice to have a standard and standardise namnes in hobbies and the commercial sector, youl find theres always one or two that try to re-invent the wheel but they all fall by the way side,

I am merely tryingh to get you to use the PROPER name for the tension wrench and not one that youve decided to use,

Even if in the grand scheme of things tension wrench isnt quite right if it was being used as a descriptive name but then again neither is torque wrench, infact i say torque wrench is further from the actual truth than tension wrench as a tension is a varying state whereby a torque is a set state,
But live and let live, i cant however see someone useing the wrong terms or names and not say anything, you know the score and as said if i see you useing it i shall post afterwards and make it clear to anyone new reading your post that you infact mean tension wrench when you say torque wrench,

Next you will saying that a rake isnt a rake because its not used to garden with and instead you want to call it a multip headed pick blade or somthing equally stupid,

Im hurt that you suggest i abuse my power as i dont, i work here for hours each day for all you lot and try my vbest to keep site clean and free from crap so new members can come and learn, abusing my power would be to go through everyone of your posts and change the word torque to tension which youll note i havent,

[NKT]

It's a tension wrench. You apply torque with it, to a lock plug.

A torque wrench is normally about 2 feet long, and is used on bolts in the same way as a spanner.

Confuse the two at your peril. Whilst a torque wrench might get you past some doors, they aren't designed for abuse like that.

Going back to sizes, I use the Bogata set for most of my torque needs. I find the really stiff tension wrench is great. Harder for SPP, but it is doable, as long as you concentrate. If you don't back your tension off, you will frag your pick long before you push the plug back around. However, I like the fine control, and the fractional spring in them ties in great with the raking action of the Bogata.

I do find them a bit thick for some keyways, and I really should fiddle about and turn some of the tonnes of wiper inserts I've got into a set of sized tools for specific keyways.