Ok yea you are right as i dont need the shackle for hobby picking.but as you know if i was to offer them on here with out keys and shackle i dont know how many would want them im sure some would

so i might start getting them and just save them till i get into the advance section and offer them as practice locks would that be better?just wondering if there would be people out there that would want them?but wont sell/trade untill i get on adv as so it doesnt violate and rules...james