lockpicking aftermath

by **dragon_punch** » 26 Jul 2007 11:48

hi i just tried lockpicking my front door through basic scrubbing.
the first 2 times it was okay as i didn't turn the plug more than 180 degrees. but the third time i think i turned it 180 degrees and the plug got stuck there.

i didn't anticipate this. i didn't see any posts regarding the fact that the plug/lock might get stuck. and now i can't lock the door back.

any body know how to get past this?
the door-lock did open but doesn't lock back even from the inside.

and also in future how to avoid this kind of problem, and are some specific locks susceptible to this?

if similar problem has been posted before do post the link 'cause i couldn't find it. also plz share your ideas and tips.

by **Trip Doctor** » 26 Jul 2007 11:58

hi i just tried lockpicking my front door through basic scrubbing.

now i can't lock the door back.

I sense UW's arrival.

It's most likely the driver pins dropping to the bottom of your keyway (if you had the key, the bototm of the key would prevent that). Just look inside the keyway when it gets stuck, and you'll see what i'm talking about. When it gets stuck you can use the back of your pick, or tension wrench, or whatever fits in there pretty much, and push the pins up a bit, and the plug will spin.

by **Shrub** » 26 Jul 2007 12:50

The way to stop it again is to stop picking your door locks, its against our ethics of the sport, what you are basically doing is playing football with a brick, its the wrong thing to use and no-one apprechiates it, it can cause damage and cause a lot of expense if done by a noob at the sport,

by **Tygart** » 26 Jul 2007 14:42

i didn't see any posts regarding the fact that the plug/lock might get stuck

And I am guessing you did not use the search button, and see the endless amounts of pots saying DON'T PICK LOCKS THAT ARE IN USE!!!! :roll:

by **Squelchtone** » 26 Jul 2007 14:47

This has happened to several people in the last year, I even made them a diagram and now I will share it with you.

And don't pick your front door, go to Lowe's or Home Depot and spend $10-$20; all the original style Kwiksets are on Sale because of the new Kwikset Smartkey locks which just arrived.

Squelchtone

by **zeke79** » 26 Jul 2007 14:59

Just an FYI too. A masterpin can not only drop into the keyway but thin wafers may fall out and become lodged in the keyway, fall out of the keyway etc. Either way, when this happens you can in fact render a key that should operate your door usesless. It may be your key that no longer works or a masterkey that no longer works. Your best bet is never pick a lock that is in use.

by **Raccoon** » 26 Jul 2007 17:38

dragon_punch: Now all you need to do is goto DEFCON next week, bring your girlfriend to the forum, publish your own magazine, and become moderator of this site. :lol:

j/k schuyler.

by **Trip Doctor** » 26 Jul 2007 17:56

Well, it doesn't necessarily have to be a master pin, it could be the driver pin; but since the Kwiksets you have are most likely mastered (due to construction keys and such), then it's probably the above. Look into your keyway, and try to push any driver and/or master pins up, and spin the plug back. If a master key fell out and got lost, you'll have to take the lock apart and rekey it so your key would work. Good luck, and consider it a lesson learned

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by **dragon_punch** » 26 Jul 2007 22:49

yeah lesson learned...i called the maintenance staff and what he did was he unscrewed the whole thing and installed it all over again.
but this forum has amazing response which is great.

by **questions** » 27 Jul 2007 0:03

so was that lock master keyed or did you not try to push the top pins back in to turn the plug back?

by **RangerF150** » 27 Jul 2007 2:19

dragon_punch wrote:i didn't anticipate this. i didn't see any posts regarding the fact that the plug/lock might get stuck. and now i can't lock the door back.

I just love the subtlety of this sentence , he's turned this around and blamed lp101 for not telling him that this might happen :-)

by **Raccoon** » 27 Jul 2007 2:43

What's more funny, is that we get no less than one of these every month, if not more frequent. Yes, driver pins stick in the bottom slot of the plug. It is VERY common knowledge and makes up a sizable % of the posts on this forum.

by **fizzl** » 1 Aug 2007 12:19

This is probably stupid question, but being my first post, I will allow it to myself

Why are there matching holes on the other side of the sylinder anyway? Cheaper fabrication? I can't think of anything...

by **nekret** » 1 Aug 2007 12:28

fizzl wrote:This is probably stupid question, but being my first post, I will allow it to myself

Why are there matching holes on the other side of the sylinder anyway? Cheaper fabrication? I can't think of anything...

It's for construction keying.

by **Squelchtone** » 1 Aug 2007 12:31

nekret wrote:
fizzl wrote:This is probably stupid question, but being my first post, I will allow it to myself

Why are there matching holes on the other side of the sylinder anyway? Cheaper fabrication? I can't think of anything...

It's for construction keying.

no.

he doesnt mean the smaller holes that are 20 degrees off the top of the cylinder, he is talking about the holes in my photo which are 180 degrees off the bible.

I believe it is for drilling the stack holes into the bible, since the top of the bible is a solid piece of brass and does not use a bible cover.

So it is a manufacturing artifact, but, and I'm only guessing, may be used in loading the springs and pins into the stacks by a machine instead of a human being with a plug follower and tweezers.

Squelchtone

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