Bumping Medeco

[globallockytoo]

Before this thread gets locked....

Ther have been a few posters in this forum in the past claiming Medeco locks are unable to be bumped.

THIS IS NOT TRUE!

At the current ALOA convention in Charlotte NC, there have been classes where 3 versions of common Medeco cylinders have been bumped successfully and repeatedly.

The technique was video taped for training purposes.

Perhaps this will help to re-educate the Doubting Thomas'.

If and when an excerpt becomes available, hopefully someone will post the video (in the advanced forums)

[nekret]

Isn't this only true if you have access to the sidebar information?

[Shrub]

This isnt open for discussion on this thread im sorry,

It is reportedly possable, i thought i had seen a link to a video but could be wrong i need to look through another forum for where i saw it,

This should be locked now but im willing to leave it for a polite and civil discussion on the merits of it but as to how its done that is only an advanced subject,

[Eyes_Only]

I thought Zeke had tried and sucessfully been able to bump a Medeco as well a couple months back.

[JackNco]

hmmmmm, I don't see it working well if at all. but if anyone has a link to the video (or the forum its published on) I would be very interested. im sure i remember a talk (possibly deviant) where they said it was very unlikely to work. I would be more interesting in a quick strip down of the lock if the video is around.

John

[zeke79]

I thought Zeke had tried and sucessfully been able to bump a Medeco as well a couple months back.

I tested that theory and proved it as global states (bumpable) well over a year ago. There are certain measures of protection you get with a properly setup biaxial system but if the rotations and spacing is known for a specific lock then yes you can easily bump it.

That's about all we can say in the open forums.

[Squelchtone]

I thought Zeke had tried and sucessfully been able to bump a Medeco as well a couple months back.

I tested that theory and proved it as global states (bumpable) well over a year ago. There are certain measures of protection you get with a properly setup biaxial system but if the rotations and spacing is known for a specific lock then yes you can easily bump it.

That's about all we can say in the open forums.

but if a guys walks off the street with a "medeco 999 key" and all the cuts are center cuts and he happens to at least have the correct key to match the keyway warding, it WON'T bump open.

As you said, you have to have low level access in an organization in order to amplify your rights by having guarded information available via a change key's angle cuts.

Are the ALOA show lectures suggesting that Medeco can be bumped even if the angle cuts are not known?

thanks,

Squelchtone

[zeke79]

There is alot more depth to cover than what I stated and what you stated but it cannot be done here on the open forums.

You are right however, some random key cut to 999 will likely never work. You have to know SOME information about the system.

[freakparade3]

Can we start a similar thread in the advanced section so you masters of Medeco can share more?

[zeke79]

No. Absolutely not!

[freakparade3]

No. Absolutely not!

I just thought it would be a bit odd for me to do it seeing as how I have nothing to offer on the subject.

[globallockytoo]

Suffice to say, the fallout from the revelations at ALOA....have surprised many locksmiths...and some bigger Medeco dealers too.

Zeke is right....to discuss the cemantics is not appropriate even perhaps in the advanced forum.

But perhaps all the hype being spread by "members of the lockpicking and locksport communities" (to quote Medeco) will begin to subside and real and true bump proof (guaranteed) products like Bilock and Abloy can have their day in the sun.

Btw....off topic....the Master Bumpstop was demonstrated and it is indeed impressive, especially at it's price point.

[zeke79]

I agree. Bumpstop is impressive on a price standpoint as they are really not much more expensive than the standard models. IIRC my suppliers catalog showed it as being roughly 30% more cost comparing similar models.

I have not ordered any yet to play with but will soon likely .

But perhaps all the hype being spread by "members of the lockpicking and locksport communities" (to quote Medeco) will begin to subside and real and true bump proof (guaranteed) products like Bilock and Abloy can have their day in the sun.

That is for sure. I know a couple of years ago my medeco bumping video and my medeco picking video along with my ingersoll ten lever lock picking videos showed up on clearstar. They were all pretty much deemed as fakes. I wonder how they feel about that bumping video now .

[n00bking]

I don't know anything...but I doubt this could really be as easy as normal lock bumping so really I don't think it poses as great a security threat as non high security lock bumping does.

I once saw in an elevator a small medeco lock protecting a panel thing below the buttons...

A new heist movie called...the 20th floor...(actually it was only a 4 floor elevator I was in so that would be a lot harder than 20 floors)

[Eyes_Only]

I think what you may be describing there could be a Medeco cam lock of some kind. If it is then bumping probably wouldn't work. Although I don't take trips in elevators too often so I couldn't really be sure what kind of locking mechanism they use there.