Bumping Medeco

by **greyman** » 2 Aug 2007 3:29

I don't see how a Primus could be bumped except through pure luck - but not as a consistent way to open this type of lock. Having said that, I haven't tried and I freely admit that I could be overlooking something...

by **globallockytoo** » 2 Aug 2007 9:57

greyman wrote:I don't see how a Primus could be bumped except through pure luck - but not as a consistent way to open this type of lock. Having said that, I haven't tried and I freely admit that I could be overlooking something...

Most bumping is "pure" luck anyway....there is no real skill to it. If it required a real skill...it would likely not be proving so popular in the wild and hence such a popular and newsworthy topic.

Most bumpers dont do so because it is skillful...they do so because it is lucky....

Picking on the other hand requires real skill!

by **Shrub** » 3 Aug 2007 9:31

Global, just a quickie to save a new thread of pm (my inbox is rammed) does the Bi-lock alays have the same 'trigger' size? im sure youll know what i mean and am after by that but if you think its not for here then ill have to drop you a line or visa versa,

by **globallockytoo** » 3 Aug 2007 10:09

Shrub wrote:Global, just a quickie to save a new thread of pm (my inbox is rammed) does the Bi-lock alays have the same 'trigger' size? im sure youll know what i mean and am after by that but if you think its not for here then ill have to drop you a line or visa versa,

Yes.

The active pin (13th pin) is always the same size. (trigger too)
Aside from having to have access to a keyblank...special mahinery to cut said keyblank is required and separate bender required to fold key into shape before trigger (active element) is added. Trigger is held in place by key head.

by **Shrub** » 3 Aug 2007 11:47

Thanks global,

by **globallockytoo** » 7 Aug 2007 9:33

Further to this thread.....check out this related article

http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/0 ... a-12-.html

by **cyrus104** » 7 Aug 2007 11:53

I was at the talk with Marc Weber Tobias during this past Defcon when he talked about bumping a Medeco biaxial. I was wondering how long this has been known.
Most of the facilities that I have been to have these locks. I understand disclosure but it would be nice to know there was a vulnerability.
Thanks

by **globallockytoo** » 7 Aug 2007 16:10

Thanks to DefCon15, there is now no need to produce the video from ALOA showing Medeco being bumped.

Or do the doubting thomas' still require more proof?

The video evidence provided at DefCon15 should be enough wouldnt you agree?

by **greyman** » 7 Aug 2007 17:02

Depends what you mean by proof. A video of one single Medeco being bumped is nice, and it may even be for real (ie a new cylinder, pinned at the factory), however to my mind proof requires something more than one instance of the technique working. If for instance, you could bump say 5 different factory-pinned Medeco locks in a row, that would be more convincing!

by **cyrus104** » 7 Aug 2007 17:08

In his talked at Defcon Marc Weber Tobias said that he has not be able to do it universally. He is confident he is close but still not there.

by **globallockytoo** » 7 Aug 2007 21:16

greyman wrote:Depends what you mean by proof. A video of one single Medeco being bumped is nice, and it may even be for real (ie a new cylinder, pinned at the factory), however to my mind proof requires something more than one instance of the technique working. If for instance, you could bump say 5 different factory-pinned Medeco locks in a row, that would be more convincing!

When shown video evidence by members of the locksport community, you still air your doubts......what....dont you believe your own people now?

by **TOWCH** » 8 Aug 2007 0:15

I'm jealous of anyone who knows the trick.

by **Shrub** » 8 Aug 2007 5:46

I think this thread has met its end, its been on the fine line from the begining and now its just an argument whether its real or not,

Ill leave it for one more chance and see what happens,

For those in the advanced sections please take it to the threads in there about it,

by **greyman** » 9 Aug 2007 16:11

globallockytoo wrote:When shown video evidence by members of the locksport community, you still air your doubts......what....dont you believe your own people now?

globallockytoo - I haven't seen the video. I mean no offence but one instance of something happening should not be taken as conclusive proof in most circumstances. You and I both know that success in picking locks can vary quite a bit from one lock to the next.

by **dmax999** » 9 Aug 2007 22:12

The guy at DefCon15 said he had access to I believe 30 Medico M3 locks. He is able to bump all of these, using an undisclosed technique in addition to bumping. He played a video of a 13 year old girl bumping the cylinder as well.

His claim is with his additional steps he has been able to bump all the M3s he has access to. He also claims that his technique may not work on all M3s because some of the extra steps may not work on all of them. He is also sending out all bumped locks for third party evaluation to make sure the lock is in proper working conditions. He may just have a bad run of locks from them.

He was very hesitant to claim he could bump all of them, because it just may not be true. He is able to bump at least some of them. Medico has his research and hasn't made a statement if his technique will work on all of them or not. His thoughts on this is because of security contracts they may not be able to disclose with him.

I was at the presentation.

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