Revolution Lock

by **vrocco** » 31 Aug 2007 16:05

Anyone seen this?

http://www.revolutionlock.com/id2.html

I tried searching and couldn't find any posts about it here.

Any thoughts on it? Apparently it's not going well since you can buy the patent on ebay?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Revolution-Lock-Pick-Proof-Technology-Patents_W0QQitemZ270157908779QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270157908779

Anyone want to go halves on it? J/K!!

by **samfishers** » 31 Aug 2007 16:10

What the ....

Who would be silly enough to sell his patent certificate :?:

by **Jaakko** » 31 Aug 2007 17:10

One word: Scam.

by **Trip Doctor** » 31 Aug 2007 21:40

..I don't get it, lol.

by **Raccoon** » 31 Aug 2007 22:02

You know how some padlocks have an anti-drill cover that spins freely. So he did the same for residential locks. Big whoop-- use a longer tension wrench.

by **Raccoon** » 31 Aug 2007 22:11

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5927115
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6058752
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6170307

by **vrocco** » 31 Aug 2007 22:32

That was my first thought too. At some point the inner cylinder has to contact the outer. If you use a tension tool that goes into the keyway a bit, the outer rotating bit shouldn't make any difference.

by **MacGyver101** » 31 Aug 2007 22:36

I can see how the rotating plug in Figure 8 of his [u]second patent[u] might confuse some people, as it actually encloses the first pin, and only starts to spin after that pin-stack is set... but it's a poor trade-off, as you're effectively reducing the pin-count by one. (e.g., if I'm reading the diagram correctly, you wouldn't actually need to pick the first pin in order to open the lock.)

by **Trip Doctor** » 1 Sep 2007 0:17

Raccoon wrote:You know how some padlocks have an anti-drill cover that spins freely. So he did the same for residential locks. Big whoop-- use a longer tension wrench.

Ah, get it now.. yea, doesnt seem like it'd do anything really.

by **Jaakko** » 1 Sep 2007 1:32

The things inventor wrote:Virtually pick proof

Even the diagram they have on their website about a pintumbler is ripped from the Howstuffworks.com sites demo of how a lock works.

by **greyman** » 1 Sep 2007 4:46

My first thought when I saw this post was that Mr Feder had reinvented the (Australian) Rivers locks, which also just spins around until the right key is inserted. However the patent seems to show that this is just a detached front part of the plug. I can't see it being very pick resistant since you would just need a slightly longer tensioner. Bump keys would still work, it seems also.

My vote for a free-spinning cylinder is still on the Rivers lock, which was patented in the 1920s so if you want to reinvent that, go ahead :wink:

by **lunchb0x** » 1 Sep 2007 5:09

with the rivers locks I have installed the free spinning plate isnt part on the lock, same thing as the medico T handles

MacGyver101, I think your right about that first pin, so really this design will be easier to pick than a normal pin tumbler because you would only have to pick the last 4 pins

by mh » 1 Sep 2007 5:32

samfishers wrote:What the ....

Who would be silly enough to sell his patent certificate

I guess the question is rather - who would be silly enough to buy it?

mh

by **Trip Doctor** » 1 Sep 2007 20:22

Well, one who knows nothing about locks I guess, lol. I would assume that's who that add is made for. A lot of people don't bother researching on it even if they don't understand what it says. If it sounds somewhat technical or factual they'll just assume it true.

UW's Shenanigans pic would fall nicely here.

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