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Key cuts, Pin ends

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Key cuts, Pin ends

Postby Trip Doctor » 31 Aug 2007 22:10

Hookay, I got a couple of small questions I'm going to drop in here. Might as well kill 2 birds with one stone.

First, I have noticed that some keys have more sharp, straight, triangular cuts, and some have more curvy, round cuts. I'm also pretty sure I've seen Schlage with both types of cuts, although usually more curvy. I've never seen a Kwikset with curvy cuts. (Medecco's obviously have their sharp triangular cuts for a reason.) What's the main reason for this? Do different machines just cut differently? Do certain keys and manufacturers require their key to be cut a certain way (straight or curvy)?

As for the other questions, taking a look at some of the Kwisket pins I have, I noticed some key pins of the same length have differently chizzled (is that the word for it) ends. That is, if you take a look at the ends of the pin, the diameters of the circular tips are different (the pins are still the same length, the chizzles are just a little different). Is this something minor in the manufacturing process? Is it due to different manufacturies making the pins? Am I just having crazy delusions?

Well, that concludes this post,
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Postby freakparade3 » 1 Sep 2007 8:02

I don't know if you are delusional or not. I will say that I have a kwikset key that anyone here would likely swear it's for a wafer lock, but it's not.
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Re: Key cuts, Pin ends

Postby nekret » 1 Sep 2007 10:35

Trip Doctor wrote:First, I have noticed that some keys have more sharp, straight, triangular cuts, and some have more curvy, round cuts. I'm also pretty sure I've seen Schlage with both types of cuts, although usually more curvy. I've never seen a Kwikset with curvy cuts. (Medecco's obviously have their sharp triangular cuts for a reason.) What's the main reason for this? Do different machines just cut differently? Do certain keys and manufacturers require their key to be cut a certain way (straight or curvy)?

Most of the discrepancies here are due to different cutting wheels, no particular reason behind it other than some wheels are worn a little more and will yield rounder cuts. Usually I see this deformity from the key copy machines at hardware stores and the like where the machines are heavily used by people that don't know if their machine is off or not. Sometimes hand filed keys will end up looking like this (mine included) and often end up being easier to insert and remove as their is less vertical motion for adjacent pins of similar height.

Trip Doctor wrote:...As for the other questions, taking a look at some of the Kwisket pins I have, I noticed some key pins of the same length have differently chizzled (is that the word for it) ends. That is, if you take a look at the ends of the pin, the diameters of the circular tips are different (the pins are still the same length, the chizzles are just a little different). Is this something minor in the manufacturing process? Is it due to different manufacturies making the pins? Am I just having crazy delusions?

Are those Kwikset pins from Kwikset or are they from a pin kit? I've noticed some generic pin kits typically have different bevels. Again no particular reason why, just that they are made from a different manufacturer and likely a somewhat different process.
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Postby Trip Doctor » 1 Sep 2007 20:13

Are those Kwikset pins from Kwikset or are they from a pin kit? I've noticed some generic pin kits typically have different bevels. Again no particular reason why, just that they are made from a different manufacturer and likely a somewhat different process.


I believe from both, in chich case thas answers my question, lol. And my first one is fully answered as well then :D .

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