Need Info on Infrared or Pickproof Locks

[Casey]

Does anyone know anything about infrared locks for doors or recommend a good lock that is pickproof or hard to pick? Thanks.

[Mad Mick]

Pickproof? - none (there is always a way, no matter how complicated the lock). Hard to pick - Medeco, Abloy, Bilock, Ingersoll, most 5+ BS curtained lever locks, to name a few. Please give a little more info as to your particular requirement.

i.e. :
I have a wood/steel/UPVC main/side entry door which I would like to protect against being picked/kicked/wedged/credit-carded.

If you are looking to burglar-proof your home, the locks are usually the last place a thief will approach.

[frollard]

If you are looking to burglar-proof your home, the locks are usually the last place a thief will approach.

true, but no matter what, an <aforementioned secure lock> is always better than a kwikset.

[CaptHook]

Yes, tell us the application you have the need for, and Im sure you will get countless suggestions...... Different needs have different solutions.
That reminds me of a teacher from back in school, the only wisdom I ever got from him was this....
For every problem, there are several solutions. The best solution is the one that causes the least amount of problems in return.
Chuck

[Casey]

A month ago 7 dental and medical offices in our area was broken into. They picked the locks and took only computer hard drives, we are assuming it’s for identity theft. We are trying to pickproof our wooden main door to our office. Thanks.

[logosys]

A month ago 7 dental and medical offices in our area was broken into. They picked the locks and took only computer hard drives, we are assuming it’s for identity theft. We are trying to pickproof our wooden main door to our office. Thanks.

Yeah, that's a pretty important thing to protect. You're gonna want to look at Medeco, Abloy, Ingersol, etc. Trust me, to avoid Identity theft, its worth the extra cash.

[Chucklz]

You seem to have a real problem on your hands. One thing I feel I must tell you, there is nothing you can put on your door that cant be defeated. There are a handful of members here, who know enough to open, destructively or non destructively pretty much whatever you can throw at them. You should also consider other security upgrades as well. For example, a deadbolt over a latch, reinforced strike plates, etc.
There are other questions as well:
Are there windows that could provide relatively easy access to your offices?
Do you plan to lock your computers so that 1.) the case would be very difficult to open without the key for the lock and 2 that the computer could not be easily removed from its location?

And most importantly, institute a strong key control program. Unauthorized duplicates of keys destroys whatever security you had. If you want to save some money, but still have a secure system, I would think about getting Schlage Primus cylinders on the main door, and other "high security" doors, while using a compatable Everest cylinder on areas that do not require such security.

And frankly, to have 7 such breakins in a month... Unless there is clear forensic evidence of picking, I would also suggest that unauthorized key duplication is equally, if not more likely. For example, if all 7 offices used the same cleaning service, it would only take one dishonest employee to "borrow" the keyring on his lunch break.

[toomush2drink]

I would definatley look at something with a restricted keyway that keys can only be cut with authorisation. I for one would think of a mortice lock like a chubb etc like we use over here in the uk as its unlikley us thieves would know as much about picking these also access to the tools would make it a little harder. As mentioned before look at reinforcing the door with plates and hinge bolts etc. There are now some new locks hitting the market that require a key fob to be used to gain entry and these also can be logged so you know when entry was gained, swipe cards could do this also but they are not fool proof. At the end of the day if they want to get in they will but by thinking outside of the box as they say you can slow this down. Try not to think of mainstream products as a quick search around this forum shows up a lot of information on them which thieves could use too with the right thinking. What about a cloaksmoke device, this works by flooding the entire area with thick dense smoke so they cannot see a thing let alone steal anything.This keeps on pumping out smoke even if they try to clear it with a fan, it is that dense i have heard of thieves being unable to find there way out of the room they broke in

[logosys]

I would definatley look at something with a restricted keyway that keys can only be cut with authorisation. I for one would think of a mortice lock like a chubb etc like we use over here in the uk as its unlikley us thieves would know as much about picking these also access to the tools would make it a little harder. As mentioned before look at reinforcing the door with plates and hinge bolts etc. There are now some new locks hitting the market that require a key fob to be used to gain entry and these also can be logged so you know when entry was gained, swipe cards could do this also but they are not fool proof. At the end of the day if they want to get in they will but by thinking outside of the box as they say you can slow this down. Try not to think of mainstream products as a quick search around this forum shows up a lot of information on them which thieves could use too with the right thinking. What about a cloaksmoke device, this works by flooding the entire area with thick dense smoke so they cannot see a thing let alone steal anything.This keeps on pumping out smoke even if they try to clear it with a fan, it is that dense i have heard of thieves being unable to find there way out of the room they broke in

Medeco would be a good bet, seeing as only authorized Medeco dealers can duplicate a key.

[logosys]

I would definatley look at something with a restricted keyway that keys can only be cut with authorisation. I for one would think of a mortice lock like a chubb etc like we use over here in the uk as its unlikley us thieves would know as much about picking these also access to the tools would make it a little harder. As mentioned before look at reinforcing the door with plates and hinge bolts etc. There are now some new locks hitting the market that require a key fob to be used to gain entry and these also can be logged so you know when entry was gained, swipe cards could do this also but they are not fool proof. At the end of the day if they want to get in they will but by thinking outside of the box as they say you can slow this down. Try not to think of mainstream products as a quick search around this forum shows up a lot of information on them which thieves could use too with the right thinking. What about a cloaksmoke device, this works by flooding the entire area with thick dense smoke so they cannot see a thing let alone steal anything.This keeps on pumping out smoke even if they try to clear it with a fan, it is that dense i have heard of thieves being unable to find there way out of the room they broke in

As far as securing a computer - this is an area of which I can speak with confidence. If the concern is that they will steal hard drives, there is an interface which can be placed between the IDE cable and the rear of the HD, and when the device loses it's contact with the Motherboard (it runs a low frequency circuit through the ATA controller), goes into lockdown mode, sending an electrical shock into the HD, corrupting the initial sectors of the disk, rendering the data safe. Also, you can put a biosensor interface into the computer, and the HD will not release data without the Biosensor authorization. Put a lock down on the computer, and a case lock in the rear, and the smokecloak wouldn't be too bad an idea (you can put tear gas in the device as well, BTW, rendering whoever is trying to break into your computer a weeping, sobbing, cry-for-their-mother felon)

Hope this helps

[funboy79015]

Another option in addition to the previous suggestions is to get removable hard drives for your computer and pull them every night and put them in a good safe. May not stop the thieves but it should slow them down.

[logosys]

Another option in addition to the previous suggestions is to get removable hard drives for your computer and pull them every night and put them in a good safe. May not stop the thieves but it should slow them down.

The problem is porting the existing data onto a removable HD, and then dealing with the slower DTR. You'd need to throw on a special rig of a dual USB2 or Dual FireWire, so you'd need to pull in a EE just to get it done efficiently.

[ReverseLogic]

We are trying to pickproof our wooden main door to our office. Thanks.

The first thing I would do before I put in a medeco would be to get a sturdier door and get some sort of reinforced door frame. Only then will the medeco be useful.

I also like the suggestions of removable hard drives.

[funboy79015]

Another option in addition to the previous suggestions is to get removable hard drives for your computer and pull them every night and put them in a good safe. May not stop the thieves but it should slow them down.

The problem is porting the existing data onto a removable HD, and then dealing with the slower DTR. You'd need to throw on a special rig of a dual USB2 or Dual FireWire, so you'd need to pull in a EE just to get it done efficiently.

I was thinking more along the lines of something like this
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=394845&Sku=K450-8000&CatId=285

where you can easily remove the internal hard drive.

[logosys]

Another option in addition to the previous suggestions is to get removable hard drives for your computer and pull them every night and put them in a good safe. May not stop the thieves but it should slow them down.

The problem is porting the existing data onto a removable HD, and then dealing with the slower DTR. You'd need to throw on a special rig of a dual USB2 or Dual FireWire, so you'd need to pull in a EE just to get it done efficiently.

I was thinking more along the lines of something like this
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=394845&Sku=K450-8000&CatId=285

where you can easily remove the internal hard drive.

Aha, good call. Yes, concur with funboy!