Government jobs

[Pheniox]

You don't necessarily need to be in the government. Theres a group out in California called BlackPaw (BlackPond?) that consists of ex special forces that provide private security protection. They're currently in Iraq right now.

Jobs like that could probably allow you to gain the info.

I know a few of those guys, 6 of them just died in iraq. one ex-SEAL I knew died. But yes, those are the type of non-goverment jobs that would get it. However, most of them are former Rangers, SEALs, Force Recon, or Delta.

[scott mckelvey]

Well, depending on where you live, you'd first likely have to get journeyman certification status (CJL or CML) either from the ALOA (if your in the states) or in Canada get your CJL from one of the provinces that regulates in that area.

You would then need to find out what companies do work for the gov't(s) and get hired on there. You would also probably be required to have a lot of safe and vault experience, in which case joining an organization such as SAVTA, etc. would be beneficial.

Beyond of all of this, of course, you would want a spotless record and all the education and training you could get your hands on.

Working for an established company nowadays is probably your only source to get into that line of work.

It's not likely that any gov't would bid out work to a brand new company operated by someone they didn't know well.

Maybe you could apply to the chuck colsen G gorden Liddy
school of never use gov issue duct tape in a jam you could have
put plumbers putty gov school of lock smiting

[jpaulgor]

I work as a computer technician for a state university. This university has it's own locksmith to handle all the keying for the whole campus. He is the only place I could go to get a key for my office if I were to lose it. It is not the most glorified job, but it is a govt. job.

[AcidMeister]

I am currently attempting to get authorization from my agency in order to receive these books, i had talked to the security guy with SHOTGRU2 when i was in hawaii earlier this year, i suppose his job was some kind of physical security type stuff with one of the Specwar places in that area or something, either way he told me with mys ecurity clearence it is not a problem, he told me some prople with Top Secret sometimes have problems, but for most purple badges it is no an issue, assuming offcourse they work in some kind of security related field within their agency, however, i brought it up and the paperwork is being passed around.... I suppose all i would have to do is once whoever needs to sign it signs it i just fax it or mail to someone at security.org and they make the determination..... As for the guy in the navy i know when i was in the military even with a Top Secret clearence the information you have access to is basiacly only what you work with and what you need on a need to know basis, however, i know there is a school for lockpicking im not too sure of the NEC though... Anyways just my 5 cents, in any case if someone actually has goten a copy of the government version of this book i woudl appreciate any point of contact or any helpful information...

[Pheniox]

Base Locksmith (NEC 9583)
I am trying to get the NEC myself, although I am an IT so I highly doubt I have a snowballs chance of getting it. CM, MM, or a Seabee would be the only people I expect could get it. Anyways, you on 32nd street or NASNI?

[AcidMeister]

Lets not forget MR when i was at Specwar Coronado years ago one of the guys i worked with was an MR and that is how he got the NEC

[swiftden]

i work for the government here but i doubt very much they would authorise it for me to get cos i dont need it for my job would be nice tho . by the way please forgive my ignorance but "NEC"?????

[AcidMeister]

Navy Enlisted Classification Code

[NDE Manipulation]

Are there any government jobs where you would actually use locksmithing skills? And does anyone know who you'd work for and what you'd do? I tried to do a little research but that yielded no results.

Well, I held a Civilian Secret Clearance in the past but I have no need for it anymore. Needed that as an employee of a D.o.D. Subcontractor. Luckily, I never had to use this stuff for that job but worked on the periphery of it, i.e., with alarms. That's why you needed the Clearance. Don't know about 25Gs for it either or one step above that Clearance for that much money, must be like Military toiletseats, Military overcharges the Military because alarm companies and other small Subcontractors would go out of business really quick if those types of expensive investigations were a must-have, must-do.

I know a bit about how at least one Investigative arm of the Government works with this, when it's something really difficult, they have trusted CMLs and Master Vault Techs on-call for it, usually retired because they might have to travel, etc. and true Masters.

[raimundo]

All that about how tough a security clearance is to get may just be postureing on the part of the government. Remember, Bernie Kerik got nominated for director of homeland security, in spite of tax problems, questionable activities in arabia, an illegal nanny, mob contacts, and a whole lot of money he accepted from "friends" he did favors for. Do you really think they're gonna knock themselve out looking at anyones background, they'll ask three people some questions, probably a neighbor, a teacher and an employer or something, and the rest, well, look at robert hansen or aldrich ames, security clearances are nothing. Robert Novak can spew out everthing on national tv when he gets it from the office of strategic influence.

[Wesson357]

You don't necessarily need to be in the government. Theres a group out in California called BlackPaw (BlackPond?) that consists of ex special forces that provide private security protection. They're currently in Iraq right now.

Are you talking about Blackwater USA?

[BCamronz]

The Pentagon does have their own locksmiths but they do not and did not drill open any safes taken out in the 9-11 attacks. The side that hit was mostly the Marine corp and the company I worked for did all of their work along with the Navy's work. They also have more than 2 locksmiths.....but still manage to have to contract jobs out because they can't do them.

[BCamronz]

Forget the federal goverment jobs. I tried that but the money and the work is with defense contractors. I've been working for Lockheed Martin now for over a year and I am responsible for 12 buildings in the Northern Virginia area. Its nice being the only locksmith and setting every building up, your schedule up, and your time up how ever you want. They paid for my Top Secret Clearance.

[eagleCRL]

You don't necessarily need to be in the government. Theres a group out in California called BlackPaw (BlackPond?) that consists of ex special forces that provide private security protection. They're currently in Iraq right now.

Jobs like that could probably allow you to gain the info.

I know the DoD has these two guys who service the safes for the Pentagon. x-09s and GSA standards up the whazoo. On a side note: on 9/11, when the plane hit, it melted a large number of safes. These guys got to open up all them with thermic lances and whatnot to retrieve documents.

Physical security assesment guys probably have access. I'm sure ULs group does too. (what I would do to work for ULs safe department)

-Dave

I think you mean "Blackwater," and yes they do really really cool stuff. The CIA actually has a position for locksmiths, and its not impossible to get hired. If you ever go to their website and look under employment, its listed. It's basically a group of locksmiths that go around and work on security systems and locks for embassies etc. I have someone very close to me in a similar capacity, from what I'm allowed to know, it sounds awesome.

[ViO]

I currently work for the US Government in National Security & Nonproliferation/Counter-Terrorism for the US DoE. As for lockpicking, it is just a side-skill that I have and has nothing to do with my job, although it may help your resume if you plan on going into government intelligence in the future. Also, Blackwater Security is a private security firm who has a contract with the US Government to operate in Iraq, most people would consider them "Mercenaries". They have extensive requirements for employment, having locksmithing skills would help you, as well as former government intel, military service, etc., you could say they are similar to an executive protection service (bodyguard service) just on a higher level.

The way I look at it, locksmithing is another thing to add to my resume so when im looking for a government job after I get a PhD, I have more skills than the next guy.