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How can I modify schlage entry knob locks not to lock me out

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How can I modify schlage entry knob locks not to lock me out

Postby Kodack » 2 Oct 2007 10:17

I just re-keyed my new home and I installed Schlage entry door locks on my front and garage entry doors.

The problem I am having is that these door knob locks allow the inside knob to be turned and the door opened even when locked.


How do I make it so when they are locked, the knob won't turn from the inside?


What I am worried about is going out side for the paper and finding myself locked out because the door let me out but not in. It's hard to tell when they are locked.


this is what I got

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Postby Schuyler » 2 Oct 2007 10:33

Rather than try to modify your lock, which is more likely to end up in a non-functioning lock, which can be both inconvenient and dangerous, why don't you keep a rug or a slipper by the door and when you go out for the paper/mail, just slide it into the gap?
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Postby Kodack » 2 Oct 2007 10:37

I was hoping there was something built into the lock or handle that I could reconfigure or screw down.

Most door locks don't turn when they are locked so maybe schlage allows them to be set both ways? I don't know hence the question.
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Postby freakparade3 » 2 Oct 2007 11:20

What you have sound like keyed entry knobs. They are doing wtat they are supposed to do. If you want to avoid accidental lockouts replace them with conventional doorknobs.
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Postby maintenanceguy » 2 Oct 2007 11:33

Locksets come in dozens of functions. Even entrance function locksets can come in different functions.

It sounds like you need a dormitory function entrance lockset. With this lockset, when you turn the inside knob or close the door the lock button pops out so you can't accidentily lock yourself out.

You have what I've always called an office entrance function lockset where the button stays in until you release the button by turning the button.

Everybody has a different name for the different functions which makes purchasing the lock exactly the way you want it even more difficult.

But the American National Standards Institute has created a standand numbering system for locks functions. An office entrance lockset is an F81. You want an F90 dormitory entrance function. Your local locksmith should be able to get what you want and even show you dozens of other functions to consider.
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Postby keysman » 2 Oct 2007 14:17

maintenanceguy wrote:Locksets come in dozens of functions. Even entrance function locksets can come in different functions.

It sounds like you need a dormitory function entrance lockset. With this lockset, when you turn the inside knob or close the door the lock button pops out so you can't accidentily lock yourself out.

You have what I've always called an office entrance function lockset where the button stays in until you release the button by turning the button.

Everybody has a different name for the different functions which makes purchasing the lock exactly the way you want it even more difficult.

But the American National Standards Institute has created a standand numbering system for locks functions. An office entrance lockset is an F81. You want an F90 dormitory entrance function. Your local locksmith should be able to get what you want and even show you dozens of other functions to consider.


If you puchase a schlage A or D 53 ... the inside button can be turned to allow for " passage " or to lock to outside knob , the inside knob will ALWAYS allow you to exit with 1 motion.
Most fire codes for public/ commercial buildings REQUIRE you to be able to single motion exit .. NO Special Knowlege required. This would prohibit the use of grade 3 kwicksets as it requires more than 1 motion to open ( if locked).
Fire codes in many areas are now requiring singe motion egrees on new construction Residential homes as well.
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Postby Kodack » 2 Oct 2007 14:54

keysman wrote:
maintenanceguy wrote:Locksets come in dozens of functions. Even entrance function locksets can come in different functions.

It sounds like you need a dormitory function entrance lockset. With this lockset, when you turn the inside knob or close the door the lock button pops out so you can't accidentily lock yourself out.

You have what I've always called an office entrance function lockset where the button stays in until you release the button by turning the button.

Everybody has a different name for the different functions which makes purchasing the lock exactly the way you want it even more difficult.

But the American National Standards Institute has created a standand numbering system for locks functions. An office entrance lockset is an F81. You want an F90 dormitory entrance function. Your local locksmith should be able to get what you want and even show you dozens of other functions to consider.


If you puchase a schlage A or D 53 ... the inside button can be turned to allow for " passage " or to lock to outside knob , the inside knob will ALWAYS allow you to exit with 1 motion.
Most fire codes for public/ commercial buildings REQUIRE you to be able to single motion exit .. NO Special Knowlege required. This would prohibit the use of grade 3 kwicksets as it requires more than 1 motion to open ( if locked).
Fire codes in many areas are now requiring singe motion egrees on new construction Residential homes as well.



Yes most doorknobs will unlock if twisted to let you out, the thing about the schlages though is it does not "unlock" the door so it is possible to lock yourself out.

If it either forced you to unlock the door first, or if it unlocked when opened from the inside I think it would be okay.

I'm most concerned about hopping into the garage and having the door shut on me locking me outside. I'm very security conscious so I keep everything locked down all the time.


If there isn't a quick way to change the knobs functions I will have to get new ones since I re-keyed these I can't take them back for a refund.
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Postby zeke79 » 2 Oct 2007 14:57

There is nothing you can do to change the configuration of these locks. Either get used to it or change them out.
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rig it

Postby raimundo » 3 Oct 2007 7:43

you could drill a small hole in the wood at the inside of the strike plate, and put a bolt in there that would block the latch from entering the hole. make the hole just a bit larger than the bolt, so you can put it in and pull it out easily, and adjust it so the depth is just right to hold the bolt. you put the bolt in when you go out, then pull it out when you come in. I suggest a bolt because they are stronger and have large flat heads. you could store the bolt in another hole near the first one.
another concept would be a small hinge that could be installed to simply flap over that strike hole installed on the door frame or one that could flap over the latch installed on the door. flip it over the hole and no latch will go in.
it dosen't have to cover the entire hole, just enough to keep the latch from going in.
Another concept is to put a thing like a bent over nail in a place where it can be rotated to block the door from closing that last 8th of an inch so the latch never quite lines up with the strike plate,
there must be hundereds of bubble gum and rubberband fixes
I make strike plate covers out of tin can lids, there are crosses, with the center about the size of an average strike plate, vertically about as long as one of your fingers, and horizontally wide as your thumb or as wide as an average strike hole is vertically,
these carry flat in your wallet, but when you want to use it, bend the two long vertical bits 90 degrees to push and set them in the strike hole, while leaving the thicker two parts unbent, these will creat a cap or bridge over that hole that the latch will ride on, while the bent in bits hold it in place.
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Postby zeke79 » 3 Oct 2007 9:10

I'd say if the guy cannot remember to turn the thumbturn before he goes out, chances are he is not going to remember to remove a bolt from a hole and stick it in another hole :lol: .
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