New invention, What is it good for...

[kg4boj]

Here too but even with florida's "right to be" "stand your ground" laws, I usually end up using OC spray when things get too rowdy, just remember, if more than one person is yellin and getting violent, spray em all... hecklers, onlookers, bystanders, chances are one of them will retaliate for their friend, and if you kept your distance no one is going to land anything on you, that and the fact if a cop sees you do it, you *might* get arrested, if a cop sees a gun pulled they will shot your fool head off without asking questions.

[Trip Doctor]

Wait waa... what does that have to do with impressioning or measuring ?

[freakparade3]

Here too but even with florida's "right to be" "stand your ground" laws, I usually end up using OC spray when things get too rowdy, just remember, if more than one person is yellin and getting violent, spray em all... hecklers, onlookers, bystanders, chances are one of them will retaliate for their friend, and if you kept your distance no one is going to land anything on you, that and the fact if a cop sees you do it, you *might* get arrested, if a cop sees a gun pulled they will shot your fool head off without asking questions.

This is an intervention......... Put down the crack pipe and take 2 steps backward...........

[kg4boj]

When you work doing REAL locksmith stuff, beyond basic unlocks etc, you carry maybe 20-30K worth of tools with you, and if you use them at night, people will try to rob you. I ment to post this to another board, but I was basicly saying, if you get in one of those ugly situations, blinding everyone will buy you time.... I was just saying pulling a gun in a watched neighborhood, ccw or not will likely get you shot.

You should have seen the neighborhood I had to make a GM PK3 key for at about 3:30AM- 4 AM this morning, These kids will bang on your backend to try to get you out so they can carjack you... also they throw rocks at white people in unmarked vans in this one particular spot...

I will solve this problem soon when our AAA contract expires, they pay so little, ask so much, and everyone has a card to lend...

[Wrenchman]

Wait waa... what does that have to do with impressioning or measuring ?

TD, I'm glad you asked!

By measuring the pins when the lock is in an open position, using for example a
long hook, you can estimate the pin depths and thereby impression a key a lot easier!

With this tool you don't have to keep tension all the time and thereby get tired in your
hand with the chance that the tension-wrench might fall out not to mention that you'll
have to work with on hand during the whole process!





Wrenchman

[globallockytoo]

Wrenchman,
In your example, the process you describe in lock reading is quite common.
Papaiz locks are extremely easy to pick or impression, even though many have spool pins

Whilst being an alternative in making a key, I think it will rarely be called upon.

Good thinking tho!

[kg4boj]

I never did it that way but I can see how it might be useful if you are just getting into wafer/pin reading. You get it in your head... from bow to tip (how lock bitting is usually listed):

front pin.... second pin is lower than first pin third pin is higher than second, but by looking down the keyway, you can see its not higher than the first pin... then you see the third, witch is lower than the second, and the fourth, witch is higher than the second and the same heighth as the first so you look at the depth and spacing for that lock and say you find there are 5 diffrent depths,

From what you read from the picked lock you know the third pin is the lowest, followed by the second and you see the first and the fourth are the same heights, you can make a guess for any one pin say...

of 5 depths, if none of them are real short and look like 1's

the bitting might be (bow to tip) xx4x third pin being lowest...
then: x34x second pin being lower than the first
then either 2 or 3 for the first pin, unless it looks more than a single step and you dont believe have a #1 cut
234x
and you know the first and fourth are the same depth so you might try:
2342 as your combination and if all goes well it should work, if not try offsetting all the numbers by one, or cutting one cut shallower than you think it might be if you aren't sure of its exact depth, and impressioning it down ( this is one pin tumbler impression that works well with a knife edge)

If there was any doubt I would cut it as 1231 then 2342 then try 3453.... and if it didnt work from there, I might try 2352 etc and so on.

That make any sense to you guys?

[kg4boj]

blah, not with it tonight: lets try this again:



of 5 depths, if none of the pins are real short (#1's), or all the way #5 deep ( pin extends almost to center register groove) or look like 1's

the bitting might be (bow to tip) xx4x third pin being lowest...
then: x34x second pin being lower than the first
then either 2 or 3 for the first pin, unless it looks more than a single step and you dont believe have a #1 cut
234x
and you know the first and fourth are the same depth so you might try:
2342 as your combination and if all goes well it should work, if not try offsetting all the numbers by one, or cutting one cut shallower than you think it might be if you aren't sure of its exact depth, and impressioning it down ( this is one pin tumbler impression that works well with a knife edge)

If there was any doubt I would cut it as 1231 then 2342 then try 3453.... and if it didnt work from there, I might try 2352 etc and so on.

That make any sense to you guys?

[freakparade3]

When you work doing REAL locksmith stuff

I do REAL locksmith stuff all the time. Nobody has ever tried to rob me. Mabye it's because I look real mean and have alot of tattoos?

[kg4boj]

I wasn't referring specificly to you, but certain neighborhoods the locals are worse than others, The guy this morning had no address, and no one wanted to tell him where exactly he was while he was talking on his cell phone, and I usually have to go out on some of these calls..... I have a long beard, carry an 8D maglite and have scars across my face..... they dont care :-p

I was looking at the local law enforcement dispatch log for the area, witch was recently cleared but here is what they have for this area: http://www.pascosheriff.com/webapps/CADWEB22.pgm
go to that site and do a search on the following streets in dade city (DC)
wilson dixie johnson and when they get the records back up, island gets lots and lots of calls, alot of burned out cars turn up here every day of they dont make it back to the lake/retention pond witch has so many cars in it you can see several roofs whenever the water level goes down.... now there is one area we had written into our contract that we would never service at night again.... the demographics are as follows:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacoochee%2C_Florida
The per capita income for the CDP was $6,780. About 45.5% of families and 51.2% of the population were below the poverty line, including 57.4% of those under age 18 and 26.6% of those age 65 or over.

You want to talk about a place with under 2,000 people, with more unreported burglaries per person than I ever saw in liberty city miami-dade. Thats the place your looking for.
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[jaysonbernard]

I understand completely. There is one place in my area the ambulance won't go without a police escort at night. I don't care if you were going to pay me $1000 to unlock your car. I won't go there in the daytime, let alone night.

[robert11]

a pick to uplift the levers...

[cryptonic]

I understand completely. There is one place in my area the ambulance won't go without a police escort at night. I don't care if you were going to pay me $1000 to unlock your car. I won't go there in the daytime, let alone night.

strange, most of the area's on the south-side i feal like that about. i was going to hit you up yesterday and tag along but i was a lazy ass and didn't get out of bed until like 845. maybe sometime this week or next?

[Trip Doctor]

Ah, I got it Wrenchman. Didn't even catch this thread for a few days.

[ridderhenck]

And last but not least.....the name of the artist singing War......Frankie goes to Hollywood......