Key Stuck In Lock

[dougfarre]

Did you say a key called a scrotum?

[lunchb0x]

You use on the inside? or outside?

I have seen some people say that you can insert something
into the inner lock and it prevents people from bumping or picking
(using a key???) on the outer lock..... is this similar?

All my double padlocks are independant of each other.....
So would not work here, but still curious.

we have the same things for screen door locks, and you can buy a small round head to go over the key to make it easier too use.

to remove the key all you have to do is pull the lock out, remove the springs and hold the cylinder upside down and remove the key, and cover the holes so the pins dont fall out

[ObiWonShinobi]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
is that all?
Just remove the lock...... so......
when you get home....... errrr..... how do you get inside?

and if your house is on fire.... you gotta take the lock off to get out????

[nzleagle]

The SECURITURN (a Securicraft product) is used on a double cylinder lock on the inside lock. The tool to use to remove the Securiturn Key is simular to a pick, which insterts into the tumb turn, and lifts the pins, allowing you to remove it from the lock.

[kg4boj]

I came up with an oh so perfect solution to this problem, if you have a cut at the back of the key that is deep and square, ie no ramp, then your last pin or so (however far back you cut the notch into the key, it will trap one or more pins, a while back I made a system for a landlord who was had paranoid customers believing the staff was using their masterkey system to break into apartments.... the solution, a standard masterkey system for the apartment deadbolts, and the key in knob handles had a seprate masterkey with just such a square notch cut into it, witch was at a correct depth to open the lock but the key would NOT pull out, it grabbed the 4th and 5th pins in the back of the knob lock. What I did to release it, was had a friend (since moved away) machine keyblanks with a groove in the side, witch could be used to to slide a special release tool (or a thin long pick) and lift the trapped pins.

Every time the landlord needed emergency access, he could lock and unlock the deadbolts with a key that didnt get stuck, and left a key in the doorknob witch could be removed at any convineient time when the renter was home. The plus side of this was that if a customer expected maintence they could leave the knob unlocked but this was only easy to do because it was a single building with maybe 5 apartments, and the system worked for quite a while, I came out on a standard service call (for stanard say car opening price) removed as many of the keys as they wanted.
Eventually they got the keys stuck in the deadbolts all to often and instead of a VERY EASY service charge, I got emergency lockouts, and calls to remove the keys when the customer wasn't home (unlike what was previously intended).

Now this could be improved, but a clever person could realize they could file enough of a ramp to allow the last pin to have adequate landing area at xxx depth yet still pull out from the lock. That and the deadbolt in north america is about as frequently seen used as a sasquatch in loch ness.

[lunchb0x]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
is that all?
Just remove the lock...... so......
when you get home....... errrr..... how do you get inside?

and if your house is on fire.... you gotta take the lock off to get out????

you get inside by unlocking the door from the out side, and if your house was on fire what use is the key from the lock?

[Jaakko]

The solution to the OP's question is a 0.05mm (or 1/1000") thick shim, that has a little ramp at the end. You can push this in along the side of key and the little ramp causes the pins to raise up and when the shim is inserted all the way, you can remove the key and the shim together.

[ObiWonShinobi]

I'm talking to TWO people at once....

You use on the inside? or outside?

I have seen some people say that you can insert something
into the inner lock and it prevents people from bumping or picking
(using a key???) on the outer lock..... is this similar?

All my double padlocks are independant of each other.....
So would not work here, but still curious.

we have the same things for screen door locks, and you can buy a small round head to go over the key to make it easier too use.

to remove the key all you have to do is pull the lock out, remove the springs and hold the cylinder upside down and remove the key, and cover the holes so the pins dont fall out

My question is... when you are on vacation, and come home,
HOW DO YOU TAKE THE LOCK APART FROM OUTSIDE THE HOUSE???
AND ... What keeps OTHER people from taking it apart.

If the mechanism was INSIDE, you have to get INSIDE the house
to open it, BEFORE you can get inside the house! (See my confusion?)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
is that all?
Just remove the lock...... so......
when you get home....... errrr..... how do you get inside?

and if your house is on fire.... you gotta take the lock off to get out????

you get inside by unlocking the door from the out side, and if your house was on fire what use is the key from the lock?

If the mechanism is OUTSIDE and you have to unlock door from
the INSIDE....well........
Plus as I said....
Some deadbolts here have a deadbolt outside AND inside.

This prevents someone from simply knocking out the glass
in the door, or a nearby window and turning the thumblatch by hand
to open the deadbolt.

Its one thing to carry a large TV through an open door.
But being UNABLE to unlock the deadbolt......
Can you imagine trying to carry a TV through a broken window
set into a door at chest height without cutting yourself to shreds?

Building codes frowns on this setup by the way, you cant SELL
your house with a keyed bolt on the INSIDE, as its a fire hazard.

Most people keep a key hidden somewhere for the door in question,
and finding it in a room full of smoke is bad enough, but...

Regardless of where the securiturn is, inside or outside.
I dont think people want to stop long enough to TAKE A LOCK APART
to open their door in an emergency.

[ObiWonShinobi]

Not trying to argue guys... just asking "HOW" ???

[digital_blue]

If I'm following correctly, I believe what he's saying is... you use a KEY on the outside. The outside is a whole different cylinder than the inside, right?

But having only skimmed this thread... I'll admit I'm a little confused as to what the point would be of putting something like this in your lock when you go away on vacation.

db

[ObiWonShinobi]

Exactly... If its on the outside, how do you get back in???
And why cant anyone just take it off too.

I cant see how to take a lock apart from the outside with something
jammed into the keyway, that makes it impossible for your
key to fit.

And if it's inside, how do you get into your house to take the
lock apart from THAT side of the door.

unless you go in another door.......
Which is what a burgaler would do anyway.....
making this an inconvienience to only yourself.

(Haven't had my caffine yet.....still dizzy)

I know in Europe people are smart enough not to put a lock on a doorknob.
I've never been to OZ. Not sure what doors look like there.

Our misunderstanding could be from something as simple as
"How many screws and where?"
Something we use several times a day, and assume everyone else
does things the EXACT same way we do.....

Do they use inner and outer deadbolts down that way?

[ObiWonShinobi]

Okie got an animated picture.....

http://www.vantagealuminium.com.au/hardware/546miro.htm

my confusion stems from the whole....
"all you gotta do is take your lock apart and shake it to open the door"
statement... that seemed silly.........

Removal tool looks easy to bypass, but thats not up for discussion here.

but yeah... makes the average joe think twice.
and looks like it will prevent bumping.. hehe.

Ohh and back to the original thread...
DONT STICK HOMEMADE WEIRD STUFF IN USED DOORS!
sorry to tripple or quad post or whatever.. haha

[Raymond]

This idea has been used for a hundred years. Landlords used to ask for this type of set up to lock out non-paying tenants before laws prevent locking a person out of their home.

Make a key end in such a way that another key with a ramp and a hook at the base of the key will fit into the lockout tip.

Insert the tip to block the keyway from normal use by the tenant'set. Use the remover to yake out the blocking tip.

There are several designs that all work about the same.

[raimundo]

the removable lock plug is made by locksmiths for landlords, you can get it out with a bobby pin and a needle nose plier, easily.
other things mentioned are more difficult and are not designed to be removed, but a shim that has a 45 degree slant on the front end can lift all the pins to the top of the keyway so you can pull that out too. you make it to fit the top part of the keyway, if thats straight, like a schlage, or if its curved like a yale, you need some more thin and flexy shimstock. on the easy ones with a little room in the keyway, something like petersens mighty knife or mini knife whatever they call it could be worked in to lift all the pins.

[lunchb0x]

ObiWonShinobi, the locks here I have seen it on are profile cylinders with a keyway on both sides, and you have the modified key on the inside so its the same as having a turnsnib on the inside, this key does not interfer with the outside cylinder so you can still lock and unlock the door as usual