Master combo lock

by **Triump** » 7 Oct 2007 14:51

I have just started out in lock picking hence my first post.

I have been reading for a while and have pick up allot of info here. I have picked a Kwikset lock and no am trying to pick the 4 pin key way in the back of a Master Combo Lock. I have read that it is pretty easy but I cannot pick it at all. I haven't even been able to fluke it.

I am wondering if there is a certain technique that I should be doing to pick this lock. I have tried raking and pin picking. I have tried with an s rack a half hook.

I am on the right track?

I am really trying to improve my picking skills but I can't seem to move past the Kwikset. I can pick the Kwikset in about 15 Sec but can't get anything else open. :oops:

Thanks for you help.

by **Eyes_Only** » 7 Oct 2007 16:26

You'll need a slimline pick to make things easier for you. Those keyways on the back of the combo locks are a bit too small for regular pick tools. But be careful with the slimline picks cos they will bend much easier compared to a standard sized pick.

by **Wrenchman** » 7 Oct 2007 16:36

Hi Triump, welcome to lockpicking!

Triump, don't worry, you are on the right track!

But from now on you will need a lot of patience!

I don't know master lock, only by name, but it is probably very easy, you just need practice and patience!

If I remember correct the keyway on the back of a master combo is very small, too small for a beginner!

Try to get hold of some more locks, some that are not in use and belong to you at the same time!

Lockpicking can be very difficult in the beginning and sometimes very frustrating, it's because you can't feel the binding pin yet, in fact, you can't feel anything, you will need to practice intensively for at least three months!

Oh btw, did I mention that you will need a lot of patience?

Wrenchman

by **Eyes_Only** » 7 Oct 2007 16:44

I think that lock is a bit similar to the Abus Buffo if you compare it by size. Most people have trouble with them not just because of the security drivers but because it has such a small keyway.

But Wrenchman is right. Once you develop the ability to feel whats going on inside a lock on a deadbolt or something easier, you'll be able to open that tiny one in the back of the combo lock.

by **Triump** » 7 Oct 2007 19:21

Great. Thanks a lot. I was a little discouraged when I started seeing people say that this lock is easy to open.

Perhaps I will try to find a source for old cheap locks to practice with. Maybe flee markets or something. Then go back to this thing later. Picking locks is not like you see in the movies. :roll:

I can see how this would be addicting. A puzzle and a challenge. what else could you want. :lol:

Thanks again for your help.

by **ObiWonShinobi** » 10 Oct 2007 20:37

Yes they are easy to pick...... but....
The only time I remember seeing those....
Was on peoples lockers back in highschool.

Is this an "in use" lock?
I wont bother asking the OTHER question... Im sure someone else will.

by **ObiWonShinobi** » 10 Oct 2007 20:50

by the way....
next to the keyway... a key controll number is stamped...
what is it?

by **Jrpicker** » 22 Oct 2007 23:42

Don't worry i am also new to lockpicking and i am having the same problem. I forgot the combanation and have been working on this lock for a while it just takes time.

by **MacGyver101** » 23 Oct 2007 0:03

ObiWonShinobi wrote:The only time I remember seeing those....
Was on peoples lockers back in highschool.

Things may have changed (it's been a long while)... but up here (I note that Triump is from the Toronto area) the highschools used to insist on Dudley combination locks, rather than Masters.

by **Stray** » 23 Oct 2007 1:21

Yeah here too My highschool provided us with Dudley locks, And I Used to think they were pretty safe.

by **ownage312** » 26 Oct 2007 0:02

I also can't pick these, my picks are too big, so I think, and yes this is from high school haha. I just started picking today, so hopefully, i'll get it opened without a shim ;D

by **josh0094** » 26 Oct 2007 0:15

it took me soo long to pick my first lock. after that. all locks were cake.

by **mercurial** » 26 Oct 2007 1:03

josh0094 wrote:it took me soo long to pick my first lock. after that. all locks were cake.

Really?? I wish I could say the same thing! Maybe if you were using a rotary pick, that'd be possible.

If this hobby was so easy, it wouldn't be challenging, and I'd have become bored with it years ago. That is far from the case.

It didn't take me long to pick my first lock, but having mastered picking a few easy locks, that never meant all other locks were cake. It is years since my first lock, but I still find challenging locks. I'm sure all of us here at LP101 have at least a lock or two that we have never picked.....yet.

If you have no trouble with any conventional pin tumbler lock, having just learned to pick your first lock, then you are a prodigy!

I'd love to see anybody who has just learned to pick their first lock try to pick the locks I have that I have trouble with 'like cake', and I'm just referring to conventional pin tumbler locks, nothing exotic.

Find a lock with good tolerances, nasty warding and a difficult bitting - this is going to be a challenge, especially without custom-made picks.

The day I can pick any lock effortlessly, is the day this hobby will become boring and lost its appeal. I really don't think I'll find myself in that position, however.

Lockpicking is an artform, mastery takes a lifetime of dedication. I am no beginner, but I am certainly not a master - and I have been doing this for years.

...Mark

by **ObiWonShinobi** » 1 Nov 2007 1:48

Eyes_Only wrote:You'll need a slimline pick to make things easier for you. Those keyways on the back of the combo locks are a bit too small for regular pick tools. But be careful with the slimline picks cos they will bend much easier compared to a standard sized pick.

nahh.... Masters and American brand locks both have tight keyways.
but the locks themselves are CRAP!
I can open either one with a rake and NO TENSION BAR.

my school had both of them, and both were keyed the same.
they had the same locks when my two older brothers went there.
They are cheap, I doubt they changed. They are all about
the ILLUSION of security.

a few other schools in the area used the same locks
(I hope keyed diferently) but unsure if they still do.

the other brand could be just canadian....
I will ask my nephews and friends kids in school.
I'll get back to you later about it.

by **Servalite6354** » 3 Nov 2007 20:55

Triump wrote: I have picked a Kwikset lock and no am trying to pick the 4 pin key way in the back of a Master Combo Lock. I have read that it is pretty easy but I cannot pick it at all.

I am on the right track?

I picked one of my Master locks with a key-hole. Like you, I had forgotten the combo. It was very strange. Now, I'm no expert, but I'd like to think I'm at least decent. That lock would seem impossible to pick, but if I kept working at it, it would all of a sudden open. I'm not sure what I did, but I'd lock it again, and try it again, and it'd seem impossible. Go away for awhile, come back, pick it in no time. This only lasted a few times, because eventually something inside broke, and I could turn the key cylinder, but the lock wouldn't open. Which is why you should never pick a lock that you or someone else relies upon.

You may be able to figure out the combo. Just do a Google search for "finding combination to master lock" or something similar. There's a method that works for some Master locks. I ended up doing this and it worked for the particular lock mentioned above.

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