crazy concept

[Eyes_Only]

How about glue?

[TOWCH]

How about a Non-Newtonian fluid?

Wiki description
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid

And Cant have A vid demo without Brainiac...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygtX2miwU5I


There is a demo of somebody vibrating starch too. So by pouring said liquid into a lock and Vibrating it or putting some sort of other force on it it will act like a solid. Then when you stop it just pours out of the lock. Also easy to clean afterwards.

So maybe that could replace your gel stuff?

Condom+Electric Sander+Non-Newtonian_fluid=Win?

[socalswimmer]

hey guys, this is my first post, new to the board. I just recently picked up an interest in the subject as I was browsing through the public library one day and saw a book on locks and locksmithing. Since then I've been experimenting making my own picks and whatnot, and I just came upon this thread.

I'm a weldor/mechanic mostly, and as far as using a fairly viscous substance to transmit force goes, it hit me. Now, this isn't pretty, but since this is all conceptual it doesn't have to be. To remove a pilot bearing from the tail of the crankshaft of a car, you fill inside of the small bearing with chassis grease or something of the like. Then, using the appropriate size punch placed atop the plug of grease, give it a sharp rap with a mallet. Even though the punch doesn't make a perfect seal, the chassis grease is so thick that it doesn't care, it just behaves like any hydraulic system would and the impact of the blow is evenly spread around the completely inaccessible backside of the bearing which forces it out.

Seems to me if you could inject a quantity of chassis grease into the lock, using a "bump key" (although not quite as such) ground completely down, almost to the shoulder, and a bump hammer, you might get one or two shots at throwing the upper pins around before they get fouled with grease. 'Course, a key ground almost to the shoulder allows fairly little reliable torque to be applied...

It's all very academic at this point.

[samfishers]

but what if this substance, could like hardened, and since it can't go above the pins, after some times you could get your hardened viscosity, so you could have a key of it

sounds good to me

[raimundo]

any substance that hardens in a lock is unlikely to be removable, as it wont have the 45 degree slopes to cam the pins up and out of the way.

[raimundo]

very interesting to hear that the grease is used to transmit hydrolic force.

in most lockpicking, the problem is to transfer force through one or a series of 90 degree angles, and while a sputnik pick would use wires, hydrolic force is the one way of going around corners that is without the usuall problems.

this brainstorming thread is not useless, its getting some interesting thoughts going.

[therealmuffinman]

what if ( im taking somebody's syringe idea here) you hade a thicker syringe that is about key sized that fits underneath the pins without moving them. and im still a newbie but im under the assumption that on most of the same style locks the pins are in the same position, it is just how high to lift them (correct me if im wrong) but you could make a system so the syringe thing has 5 holes in the top allowing the viscus liquid to apply pressure straight up into the pins. or better yet! have some sort of expandable material covering the holes so it will still apply the pressure up when the syringe is pressed but it will also have no cleanup whatsoever. if anybody understands what i am saying. lol it would be something like this
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and the elasticy type thing would "inflate" at the holes in the tops where the arrow is

[therealmuffinman]

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sorry the picture got messed up before, this would fit into the key way and the wavy lines would be the viscous liquid

[therealmuffinman]

there really should be an edit button... ( i keep on forgetting to hit preview)


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[raimundo]

i get it, the viscous material would be in a balloon that would press up but go back in the toothpaste toob when you pull back on the plunger and use air pressure to pull it all back in.

[Siegel]

Just an Idea here. Having done similar things when building Ultra light noses cones for model rockets what we made was a silicone plug that was a sealed and hollow as the temperature rose to cure the epoxy (for we used oven to quicken the cure time) the air would expand and squeeze out excess epoxy now essentially what you would need is some sort of mould of a key blank in its lower position and make a silicone casting from that. From that you could then to push air with lets say a small balloon pump which would raise the pins.

You could by using this method also incorporate the tension tool so kind of an all in one pick for it. what's more the air would expand in all directions so would be also useful on multiple row pin tumbler locks.

Just my two cents but hope it may help.

[Siegel]

Just another point. When I was a kid, I was small but that is not the point. I had just got into lock picking and a friend was intrested in it too and we bounced of various ideas including a fibre pick. But my friend had the idea of filling the lock with mercury and then spraying the lock with dry ice freezing the metal, voila instant.
I then explained why it wouldnt work which I am sure you can work out but I had the idea that it bein quite a viscous material that you could insert it in the lock heat it up therefore increasing pressure and thus opening the lock however after dozens of broken thermometers the school was chucking out as the graduation marks had faded in the sun I gave up on the idea.
However you may find you could adapt the theory.
Also Nowadays they can make complex shapes in hollow metal by using a disposable rubber inner running through a steel tube and an exterior mould pumping it full of hot oil they then they heat the metal and pump up the pressure in the tube forcing the steel into the eterior mould this may be A good way to gather information and data to make your so called
"crazy concept" a reality.

I really would love to see this work as it would be like seeing a young boys fantasy come true.

Really hope something happens with this.

No-one/Siegel

[raimundo]

Readers please dont break any thermometers, mercury is poisonous. in spite of the fact that many of us thought it was a toy when we were young.