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Rare opportunity: safe crack (combination lock)

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Rare opportunity: safe crack (combination lock)

Postby jeddaniels » 26 Oct 2007 23:05

As a security enthusiast/hobbyist, I've been interested in all kinds of locks for a while now (got intersted a few DEFCONs ago when I got to pick my first lock). I've got a lockpick set, etc., but don't practice nearly as much as I should to be "good". Really I'm interested in knowing how things work so I can be more secure, and because I'm curious and lockpicking is just cool.

This week I got a pretty rare opportunity for someone who isn't a professional locksmith nor a criminal: crack a safe. Here is the story:

The company I work(ed) for sold all of it's assets (http://www.networkphysics.com/company/news/press.shtml) and we are moving out of a building they've been in for about 7 years. While cleaning up one of the cubes, we found a safe buried under a bunch of old equipment. After consulting with some of the guys that have been there since the beginning, I learned that the safe was used to store draft patent materials and notebooks, and hasn't been opened for many years. The lead engineer who was in charge of the safe lost the combination and no one else is left who might have a clue about what it is.

Recognizing an opportunity, I asked more about what they plan to do with the safe and if I could play around with it a bit. I was told I can do whatever I want with it as long as it doesn't cause damage to the building, and I'm welcome to try to open it with whatever means necessary (they don't even care about what is in it, and don't mind if it is destroyed).

Here are the details about the safe:

It is a Sentry "Media Safe" Model 6750. It has a combination dial that is very stiff to turn (much stiffer than I would have guessed). I can't find anything about this model on the Intarwebs, but I haven't spent more than 30 minutes digging for info. The safe is fairly large, about 17"W x 20"xH 22.5"D. (I'll post pics on my site if anyone wants to see them).

After doing a little research (http://home.howstuffworks.com/safecracking.htm), I decided that I'd like to try to open the safe elegantly without destroying it if possible. Since I didn't want to spend hours and hours at the office fiddling with it, I loaded it into my car (with a little help), and it is now sitting in the middle of my living room (my wife is a little annoyed but I promised her it won't be there for long).

After repeatedly reading the above article, I've attempted to listen/feel for clicks indicating contact points, but I haven't been successful at all. I even borrowed my wife's stethoscope and listened to the area around the dial with little to no difference.

At this point, I don't really know what else to try. I know that as a total amateur and a cut-rate hack, the professionals on this list will probably scold me for not calling a locksmith or getting a serious book, etc., but I don't really want to invest dollars and days of time into this project. If I can't figure out an elegant way to open this thing, I will attempt brute force methods (it has been a long time since I've made thermite, but if it comes to that, I'll do it).

I considered simply following the Sentry instructions for getting a lost combination (send them a notarized letter and pay a small fee), but I've decided that would be cheating (but it is certainly what I would do if anyone wanted what was in the safe or if anyone cared if it was destroyed or not).

So, any suggestions? Tomorrow I might hook a microphone up to my laptop and see if I can identify the contact points by taping the mic to the safe and watching the audio on a sound meter as I turn the dial.

This is a really cool once in a lifetime chance for a total hobbyist/amateur to legitimately crack a safe, and I'd like to take advantage of it, but have only a limited amount of time and resources.

Thanks in advance for anything you suggest.

--jed
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Postby keysman » 26 Oct 2007 23:15

This subject is restricted to the advanced forums.. that being said .. forget the stethoscope and the thermite, one is not necessary and the other won't help AT ALL.

Continue your web search ,as I believe the info specific to your safe is out there
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Postby jeddaniels » 26 Oct 2007 23:25

keysman wrote:This subject is restricted to the advanced forums..

Yea, I guessed as much. And if I had registered here on the site several years ago when I was first introduced, and posted regularly, I'd probably have access to them by now (assuming you folks decided you liked me enough to let me in). But alas, I've been a lurker for too long and haven't built up any credibility.
keysman wrote:that being said .. forget the stethoscope and the thermite, one is not necessary and the other won't help AT ALL.

I figured the stethoscope was not going to help, but tried it anyway to see if I could hear anything different. The thermite was a joke (although that would be fun), but I will resort to brute forcing it if I can't make any progress within 4-5 days. I'm guessing that the dial is just too stiff for my inexperienced hands to feel the contact points, and I probably need to practice more.
keysman wrote:Continue your web search ,as I believe the info specific to your safe is out there

Will do, thanks for the reply. I tried searching this site, but no matter what I search for the results are blank (I'm guessing I'm either retarded or something isn't working correctly). If you have any suggestions on specific sites to look for information or queries to use, please share them.

Thanks again!

--jed
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Postby jgor » 26 Oct 2007 23:32

The search page isn't working correctly. Just prepend site:lockpicking101.com to your google searches to search LP101 instead of the entire internet.
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Postby jeddaniels » 26 Oct 2007 23:45

jgor wrote:The search page isn't working correctly. Just prepend site:lockpicking101.com to your google searches to search LP101 instead of the entire internet.


Doh! I should have thought of that. Thanks for the reminder that I can search a single site with google.

Again, I appreciate the help, thanks,

--jed
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Postby MacGyver101 » 26 Oct 2007 23:46

jgor wrote:Just prepend site:lockpicking101.com to your google searches to search LP101 instead of the entire internet.


Google doesn't index the advanced forum material... otherwise anyone would have access. :wink:
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Postby josh0094 » 27 Oct 2007 0:14

makes me want to be part of advanced oh well. annother thing i dont need yet
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Postby Johnny P » 27 Oct 2007 2:05

I'll give you a hint only to keep you from ruining the safe. Sentrys do not have contact points like the group 1 and group 2 safes mentioned in the "how stuff works" link you gave.

Anything more I cannot give you. Just cntact Sentry, open the safe with the info they give you for a $10 fee and take a look at the lock and learn from it.
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Postby TOWCH » 27 Oct 2007 5:46

^ Truth. They're more similar to a standard combination padlock than they are to a group 2.
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Postby raimundo » 27 Oct 2007 7:31

and if all that fails, get out the angle grinder.

sentry is usually just a fire box.and if you go for destructive methods, cut the box, not the door, then you will have the door intact to play with
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