Double Sided Bumping?

[zsoutendijk]

I was sitting here and i was wondering if you could make a double sided bump key for double wafer locks.

i dont think it would work because it has nothing to sit on but im a curious dude and must know

any info?

-Zack



*sorry if this is a repost, couldnt find anything on it when i searched via google.

[MBI]

Bumping is a techinque designed to work on traditional pin tumbler locks. It won't work on wafer locks, regardless of whether they are single sided or double sided.

[zsoutendijk]

haha, i knew that

thanks

[Beyond]

Why would you have to bump a wafer anyways? They're insanely easy to pick.

[zsoutendijk]

not cars, unless you have jigglers, which i do but the idea just came into my head and i thought id type it up

-Zack

[Beyond]

not cars, unless you have jigglers, which i do but the idea just came into my head and i thought id type it up

-Zack

Car's are pretty easy, I don't know who told you they weren't. I always laugh when I see auto locksmiths break out the L tools and Slim Jims without first trying to pick the lock to begin with.

[Beyond]

Well, I should rephrase that, not ALL cars but the MAJORITY of cars are easy to pick.

[kg4boj]

Car's are pretty easy, I don't know who told you they weren't. I always laugh when I see auto locksmiths break out the L tools and Slim Jims without first trying to pick the lock to begin with.

That is because we know exactly how long it will take to use a cavity or other tool. We do not get paid by the hour, we get paid by the job, ie this is why many of us will drill a lock that we cant pick within 5-10 min.

[zsoutendijk]

what do you mean who told me?

i can pick a car lock in like 10 seconds!

but... alot of people cannot...

plus double sided wafer locks are not that easy to pick with regular tools, only if you have a double sided "wishbone" tension tool.

[linty]

I often go straight for the car opening tools because here in canada we have a large percentage of people driving around with seized locks, and not knowing it because they use a remote to open their doors.

[Beyond]

That is because we know exactly how long it will take to use a cavity or other tool.

This is purely anecdotal but I've seen multiple locksmiths pick the lock in under a few minutes. There are tons of videos on YouTube of people do the exact same thing, from older to newer models. And I'm not even including the ones using "jiggler" tools.

We do not get paid by the hour, we get paid by the job, ie this is why many of us will drill a lock that we cant pick within 5-10 min.

Oh no kidding? I can understand not attempting to pick a BMW or Mercedes door but if you encounter a Kia or something else? It just makes sense to attempt to pick it really fast before pulling out all the tools and trying it that way.

[kg4boj]

It does not take "all the tools" to do a simple auto lockout. This job involves a LOT of bending and stooping and customers blaming things that are their fault on you. A simple wire tool, 2 small wedges, often all it takes, and some will use a long "reach and grab" tool and airwedge or conventional wedge.

We pick auto locks when it is necessary, for example to open the trunk or to disarm an alarm that would otherwise hinder our access to the trunk.

No customer wants to wait any longer than necessary and if they see you try one way and quit, they will have doubts as to your abilities.

[Minion]

It does not take "all the tools" to do a simple auto lockout. This job involves a LOT of bending and stooping and customers blaming things that are their fault on you. A simple wire tool, 2 small wedges, often all it takes, and some will use a long "reach and grab" tool and airwedge or conventional wedge.

We pick auto locks when it is necessary, for example to open the trunk or to disarm an alarm that would otherwise hinder our access to the trunk.

No customer wants to wait any longer than necessary and if they see you try one way and quit, they will have doubts as to your abilities.

Watch out kg4boj, Beyond will start dissecting your posts piece by piece to tell you that you're wrong (especially if you aren't).

[Beyond]

It does not take "all the tools" to do a simple auto lockout. This job involves a LOT of bending and stooping and customers blaming things that are their fault on you. A simple wire tool, 2 small wedges, often all it takes, and some will use a long "reach and grab" tool and airwedge or conventional wedge.

We pick auto locks when it is necessary, for example to open the trunk or to disarm an alarm that would otherwise hinder our access to the trunk.

No customer wants to wait any longer than necessary and if they see you try one way and quit, they will have doubts as to your abilities.

Watch out kg4boj, Beyond will start dissecting your posts piece by piece to tell you that you're wrong (especially if you aren't).

Epic fail.

Everyone has their own methods. I've got no trouble picking auto locks but I guess some people prefer using auto tools. Whatever works for them.

[kg4boj]

I think Beyond should give the trade a little more time (how long has it been? 6-7 months?), then he would realize why picking a BMW is often our primary method of entry, same for some land rovers and a few other cars experience will tell you why that is. When you do this full time and make real money at the job, you will notice just how valuable one minute can be, it can even be life or death.

But hey, maybe I shouldn't pick on a new guy for picking on cars. I will just tell you that this trade has ways of doing things, and they do them that way for a reason. Give the wire tools a try, you'll find that with your own set, and some experience with the vehicles most common to your area that you'll get these cars open in under 2 minutes from putting the van in park to handing the bill to the customer, and then getting the heck out of there.