Helix MoneyBox.

[Proctor]

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Anybody picked 1 of these ?
Any advice ?

Cant seem to pick it, had about 4 trys at it.

Thanks

[poor paperclip picker]

I am not sure if this would be considered a safe of some sort or lock box??? If so, I am pretty sure that is advanced stuff. But if someone clarifies, and says its not, I will try to give you some advice.

Sorry. (or until someone says its fine for open discussion)

[gstrendkill]

post a pic of the keys and the box unlocked.

this is a bit "iffy"

[zsoutendijk]

simple disk lock thingy

pick it like you pick a pin tumbler

these have 3 disks

if this isnt yours then you didnt hear this from me!

plus im talking about the lock not what its attached to.

good luck!

-Zack

[Trip Doctor]

simple disk lock thingy

pick it like you pick a pin tumbler

these have 3 disks

if this isnt yours then you didnt hear this from me!

plus im talking about the lock not what its attached to.

good luck!

-Zack

We call them wafers now .

[delocking]

We call them wafers now .

This is the part I have trouble getting my head around I was under the impression that wafers had springs, but disks do not have springs. As I read more about locks the word wafer and disk seem to have become the same thing. Also some references say normal picks for pins can be used for picking wafers, but not work on disks ... but others seem to imply the same picks can be used for pins, wafers and disks. I'm getting very confused

[gstrendkill]

This is the part I have trouble getting my head around I was under the impression that wafers had springs, but disks do not have springs. As I read more about locks the word wafer and disk seem to have become the same thing. Also some references say normal picks for pins can be used for picking wafers, but not work on disks ... but others seem to imply the same picks can be used for pins, wafers and disks. I'm getting very confused

i know where you're coming from. im not too sure either

[delocking]

i know where you're coming from. im not too sure either

Thank ye gods it's not just me !!!

[linty]

some people use the terms interchangeably or incorrectly which is probably why you are confused.

Wafer locks are like the one picture here. Looking into the keyway you see thin, flat, squared wafers. They do have springs and are picked in roughly the same manner as pin tumblers. They are almost always easier to pick than a pin tumbler with the same amount of pins.

Although I've seen people refer to wafers as discs, discs generally refer to moving parts in higher security locks such as abloy (and it's many imitators). These feature rotating discs and do not have springs (at least for the discs themselves). These can not be picked by conventional means usings conventional tools.

[delocking]

Linty many thanks for that explanation, it makes more sense seeing it explained like that If it's not advanced information can I ask what type of picks that will work with disk locks?

[LeeNo]

A person could pick that with a bobby pin for a pick and a nail file for a tension wrench.

What did you try? How were you not successful?

[linty]

sorry delocking but disc locks are considered advanced material here.
Trust me though, if the helix is giving you trouble you've got plenty of time to make your way into the advanced sections before you're ready for disc locks. :)

[parapilot]

its easy, they will jiggle open in seconds. apply more tention than you normally would, put a pick in and shake it about, it should pop open lol, if not gentely rake it with a half ball full ball type pick. but be carefull you can damage wafers very easly. im only on the wirral, u can pop over if you get stuck

[Trip Doctor]

Delocking, I believe that a lot of old books and articles refer to wafer locks as 'disk tumbler' locks. You just have to be concious of this when reading certain articles.

[delocking]

sorry delocking but disc locks are considered advanced material here.
Trust me though, if the helix is giving you trouble you've got plenty of time to make your way into the advanced sections before you're ready for disc locks.

Linty that's OK no worries, but you have cleared up the difference in my mind The Helix isn't my box btw ... I slightly digressed from the original posting, sorry

Delocking, I believe that a lot of old books and articles refer to wafer locks as 'disk tumbler' locks. You just have to be concious of this when reading certain articles.

Trip Doctor thank you also for the tip, I'll certainly keep that in mind