un-rakable?

[dottedquad]

Hello all,
I picked up a Brinks solid brass pad lock the other day and I'm still having a hell of a hard time raking and manually picking it open. I think I'm having a hard time due to the lock having Spool pins? I can get the cylinder to spin a tad after two swipes of the rake. I'm becoming very frustrated and ready to go out and buy an easier lock to pick.

-Rich

[josh0094]

the way u detect spool pins is if u press up on a pin the cylindar will turn a bit this is called a false set, if u push the pin up past there u will feel the cylindar turn back the way it came and u have set the pin.

[dottedquad]

the way u detect spool pins is if u press up on a pin the cylindar will turn a bit this is called a false set, if u push the pin up past there u will feel the cylindar turn back the way it came and u have set the pin.

so, raking is out of the question?

After raking the pins I would also use a hook pin to brush the pins to see which ones are loose. To my understanding, the push pins seem loose to the point were it seems like the top pin is passed the shear line.

Also, to get a better understand of your reply, I did what you said and I did not notice the cylinder spinning at all(still confused on your reply).

-Rich

[jgor]

What he means is, you start by picking the lock as you would any non-security-pinned lock. At some point while you are picking you will feel the cylinder start to turn, as if you have successfully picked the lock, but the cylinder only turns a little bit before stopping. This is called the false set, and it happens when the gap in the middle of the spool pin reaches the shear line.

At that point you need to identify which pin is the spool pin, by slowly trying to push up on the remaining pins. On one of them, you will feel the cylinder try to turn back as you are pushing up, that's the spool pin trying to overcome its bottom lip. Keep pushing up on this pin, and slowly letting off tension, until it overcomes the lip and sets the pin. You may have to do this for multiple pins if there are multiple spool pins.

[josh0094]

sorry for the unclear reply but thanks for clearing things up jgor

[dottedquad]

ahh!!! Much clearer now! Thanks, to the both of your responses!

-Rich

[Gordon Airporte]

If the lock has spools (and it probably does) there are two ways you can go with raking:
1. Use really light and careful tension and rake the lock open.
2. Use normal tension, rake until you get a false set, then go back and take care of the spools with a hook.

In my experience 2 is usually easier.

[Deathadder]

all u have to do is rake it until all the pins have set/false set, then, you go and push down on each one with a hook to see which are false set, if they are, use really light tension and slowly push the pin down until you hear it click a second time. If it becomes loose again and doesn't set, that means you unset all the other pins by turning the cylinder back trying to set the spool, just keep trying and you'll eventually get the hang of it. Good to see new people on here btw.

[micpyo]

oh man this thread helped a bunch i'm having so much trouble on what i think is a spool pin... everytime i lift a pin i feel the plug turn back and it's this one pin causing me trouble too.
I"m going to go try again!

[93940joe]

ya im having the same ploblen with a shelage composite c thru l cyinder..... i get the false set and when i go back to take care of the spools the remaining pins pop back up...its so frusturating...if anyone has any pointers that whould be great...thx

[raimundo]

for frustration, probably valium