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Abus Extra Classe or Cisa Astral picking

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

Postby JackNco » 25 Jan 2008 10:13

my mistake I was still answering for the 850.

How have they managed to get the top pins active? The only way I can see it working is if they reduced the diameter of the plug and used hollowed out driver pins with springs inside like in the Kaba 20?

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Postby bluestar » 25 Jan 2008 14:19

That's exactly how it's done. The plug of an ECx00 has a smaller diameter than a plug of an ECx50 and the pins are like Kaba or Keso pins.
My guess is that this is very expensive to manufacture, so they used a standard housing (where the plug has the same diameter as e.g. the Abus C83 or XP2) and a plug with only 6 active pins and four passive while keeping the key profile.
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Postby JackNco » 25 Jan 2008 14:25

interesting. its a shame they decided to cut corners like that. after all passive pin like that are basically pointless.
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Postby bluestar » 25 Jan 2008 14:41

Indeed, it is. But to the average customer they look just the same, so I think the people with the spreadsheets took over...
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Postby zikmik » 28 Jan 2008 2:15

bluestar wrote:Zikmik has a rare model, an old EC700/EC800....


You are absolut ok, my model is realy Abus EXTRA Classe EC 800 K
I find it on this german site with bunch of other manipulated cylinders. It`s interesting that only this lock is`t show as picked!!! 8)

http://lockpicking-info.de/Seite2.html

Now on I`ll no longer bother my self to trying to pick this one, it`s already on my home door! :wink:

I sold mu "old" lock Corbin Eurostar 2005
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as used one and earn some mony. :D
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Postby bluestar » 28 Jan 2008 9:17

zikmik wrote:Now on I`ll no longer bother my self to trying to pick this one, it`s already on my home door! :wink:


Is this a good idea, now that the picture of the key is on the net? :)
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Euro

Postby raimundo » 29 Jan 2008 10:58

I assume that bluestar is in europe, as the locks in question are euro and so all the talk of pins up an pins down can be understood in context of euro lock protocols.
I think Carl Mor 's pigtail rake must be well sanded to do that and not get stuck.
Are we gonna let locknewbie get away with begging off on the excuse that he dosent have the proper picks, the guys a pickmaker, proper picks are not so difficult to obtain for a pickmaker :lol:
the set of matator style picks would work on some dimple locks, but I cannot address the particular lock as I have never had one. the matador picks are pretty obviously made from the 'junior hacksaw blades' you can find in most hardware stores, the teeth are ground away, a good first step in making them, and the bending may have been done hot, I don't know, there is also a plier with some coathanger wire on it that is used to make these, its probably in the stickies on the picks forum/thread/whatever. I think one of our members made those, if its not zikmik himself.
Wake up and smell the Kafka!!!
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Postby fusion » 29 Jan 2008 18:06

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This looks interesting :D It's an XP2

Anyone happen have the "see-thru" picture of an Abus D6?
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Re: Euro

Postby zikmik » 30 Jan 2008 5:22

raimundo wrote:Are we gonna let locknewbie get away with begging off on the excuse that he dosent have the proper picks...

I think that 10-pin picking is quite a challenge for any senior locksmith and not to talk
for someone who is in these fealds only for three monts.
Also it`s nice to know that you have on your door lock that is tough to pick. :)

raimundo wrote:...I think one of our members made those, if its not zikmik himself.

Not mine, I find it on google under `dimple lockpicking`
http://images.google.com/images?svnum=1 ... ockpicking
actualy, here
http://www.lockpickingsport.com/art-cul ... tador.html
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Postby zikmik » 30 Jan 2008 5:25

And that comes from ours site by LittlePeaceful

viewtopic.php?t=2980&start=15
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