List with difficulty rating for (european) locks?

[The Dutch Connection]

Hello all!!

As most, i am new here and pretty new at picking, bought a 14 pc Southord set, read the bigger part of this forum and a bunch of other guides and tutorials and started off.
First cillinder was a straigt bingo and mine in under 10 minutes (crap quality). I asked my hardwarestore for some expended locks and got lucky with a 5 pin Lips that opened just this morning. I also have a Yale wich i don't yet know the type of and an Abus 50/65 padlock, both of wich are above my skill so far....

As practice, practice, practice, starting simple and having a lot of patience are the most used words at this forum and in this profession/hobby, my question is as follows:

Is there or would anybody be willing to make: a list of locks catagorised from easy to start with to extremely hard.
Preferably if possible, one of European locks (the name hinst at my European origin).

This would certainly help me and i'm thinking almost every other newby worldwide...

Thanx in advance[/b]

[Tuniz]

I haven´t picked alot of european locks yet but i can tell you a few locks you see here in europe and what kind of dificulty i find them (from 1 to 10):

Geba eurocylinder (5 pin): 2-3 (really easy)

DeJong 7 pin oval cylinder (ASSA copy): 6-7ish (almost all the same top pins as ASSA SCD)

GEGE / Alfa oval / eurocylinder 7 pin: 5-6ish (5-7 serrated pins)

GEGE / Alfa security cylinder (2-4 "anti pick" pins): 6-7ish depending on how many "anti pick" pins there is in it

Abus 5 pin grade 7 biscycle / moped lock: 5-6 ish depending on the biting and which securitypins you got in it

ASSA SCD 7 pin: 8-9ish (havent opened one yet but been close). 5 security pins and 5 bottom security pins

ASSA MAX / 5600 / V10 etc: 10 (haven´t picked yet but anything with a sidebar is a 10 IMO )


Haven´t picked any other european locks yet but atleast this will give you some info.

[ridderhenck]

Kraft

STS

Wilka

Iseo

Bab

Corbin

Nemef

Anker

Winkhaus

Pfaffenhain

From easy to hard to pick,but that means for me,maybe others think,hah,easy pickings!!I have been able to pick all accept Pfaffenhain,pretty frustrating

[The Dutch Connection]

Thanx guys

that should at least keep me busy for a while....


But lets keep the threat going, for this could provide a discussion and a list list that could be usefull to everyone, especialy beginners like me....


@ridderhenk

zijn die ook een beetje te krijgen in Nederland, of betaal ik me dan scheel?

Dutch

[ridderhenck]

Dutch connection,pm send

[ratyoke]

Could someone suggest a padlock a little more difficult than a Master No. 5? I am getting a little tired of my No 5.

[vitti]

grab a Brinks max security. They're about the same price as the master #5 but have security pins. I've got on that I've only been able to pick twice. Stil getting the feel for security pins.

[ratyoke]

Ok, thanks. I will look for that tomorrow. Do you think Home Depot would carry that?

[vitti]

I think they do, if not I know wal mart does because that's where I got mine.

[ratyoke]

Ok, I just wanted to make sure it wasnt the type of thing only a locksmith would carry.