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by nyana » 3 Mar 2008 6:01
So theoretically a Sentry safe has a digital lock system, with keypads of numbers 0-9....the combination maximum limit is four digits. How many possible combinations of numbers could come out of this? Can someone give me advice, a program to use to calculate all possible combinations? How many, essentially would there be?
0-1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9
FULL COMBINATION IS FOUR DIGITS LONG, so how many combinations could those numerics make, and what would they be? IS there some sort of program I can use, or tool to get every possible outcome of these numbers, in four digit length?
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by cjames73 » 3 Mar 2008 6:29
hi nyana, welcome to the site.
discussions on safe opening are restricted to the advanced forums only.
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by Urbex » 3 Mar 2008 11:29
If I did the math correctly, 362880 possible combinations.
You will be sitting there for a long, long, long time.
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by keysman » 3 Mar 2008 11:53
nyana wrote:
IS there some sort of program I can use, or tool to get every possible outcome of these numbers, in four digit length?
Yes there is tool.. been around for centuries
Pencil + paper (Lines make it a little easier but not necessary)
Take sharp pencil write 0000 on the paper
next line write 0001
next line write 0002
continue on until you have written down all possible 4 digit combinations
sharpen pencil as necessary.
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by Safety0ff » 3 Mar 2008 12:14
Urbex wrote:If I did the math correctly, 362880 possible combinations.
I got a much smaller number than that because there's 10 possible digits and 4 slots or there's 10 possible digits and 1 to 4 slots. I know where you got that answer from: 9!=9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1=362880
Problems with your math:
-0 is a digit don't forget to count it.
-Assumes the same digit isn't used twice.
-Allows for 9 digit combination.
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by poor paperclip picker » 3 Mar 2008 12:32
Safety0ff wrote:Urbex wrote:If I did the math correctly, 362880 possible combinations.
I got a much smaller number than that because there's 10 possible digits and 4 slots or there's 10 possible digits and 1 to 4 slots. I know where you got that answer from: 9!=9*8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1=362880 Problems with your math: -0 is a digit don't forget to count it. -Assumes the same digit isn't used twice. -Allows for 9 digit combination.
if all that is true, which i took in account, you should get a larger number than 362880, not a smaller number. I got 1048576.
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by Safety0ff » 3 Mar 2008 13:01
poor paperclip picker wrote:if all that is true, which i took in account, you should get a larger number than 362880, not a smaller number. I got 1048576.
I think you might have inverted your exponent/power with your base  .
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by poor paperclip picker » 3 Mar 2008 13:09
Safety0ff wrote:poor paperclip picker wrote:if all that is true, which i took in account, you should get a larger number than 362880, not a smaller number. I got 1048576.
I think you might have inverted your exponent/power with your base  .
yeah I couldn't remember which one went where... oops my bad
but it makes sense to me, number of slots with number of possible digits... I don't know its been awhile since my algebra days..
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by poor paperclip picker » 3 Mar 2008 13:11
i guess either way there is going to be a lot of combos... so nyana do not try breaking into the safe...
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by Safety0ff » 3 Mar 2008 13:29
Who says it'll let you try all the combos anyways.
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by keysman » 3 Mar 2008 13:54
poor paperclip picker wrote:=362880
if all that is true, which i took in account, you should get a larger number than 362880, not a smaller number. I got 1048576.[/quote] Urbex wrote:If I did the math correctly, 362880 possible combinations.
You will be sitting there for a long, long, long time.
Hold on ! If there can only be 4 digits than the largest # will be 9999 starting at 0000 that leaves 10,0000 possible combinations not 362K or more
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by Safety0ff » 3 Mar 2008 14:12
keysman wrote:Hold on ! If there can only be 4 digits than the largest # will be 9999 starting at 0000 that leaves 10,0000 possible combinations not 362K or more
Precisely. I was just correcting the other ppl but I didn't want to help nyana. It's quite simple to find out how many possible combo's there is whether using mathematical methods or rationalising it as you have. I knew it was 10k. Proof: Safety0ff wrote:I think you might have inverted your exponent/power with your base  .
4^10=1 048 576
10^4= 10 000
If you look at it as 4 is the maximum number of digit then the answer is:
10^4+10^3+10^2+10=11 110.
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by Urbex » 3 Mar 2008 21:17
Well I tried, but it doesn't matter...
It's still going to be a ridiculous amount of combinations.
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by mcm757207 » 3 Mar 2008 22:34
Not to mention that the safe will lock out for a while after a certain number of incorrect attempts are made, so sitting at it trying all possible combinations would take and exceedingly massive amount of time. Theoretically of course 
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by FFVison » 4 Mar 2008 22:33
10 possible digits per wheel: 0...9
for each digit of the combination, you multiply the numbers together, so for a 2 digit combination, it's 10 * 10 or 100. For 3 digits, it's 10 * 10 * 10 which is 1000. This pattern could be simplified by the following equation (number of digits)^(number of wheels you need to turn to the correct digit). If you are only working with wheels with 10 digits going from 0 to 9, it should be easy to figure out. The working combination is a 4 digit number with a value somewhere between 0000 and 9999, so you have exactly 10,000 possible combinations. After typing for a bit, I realized that you are dealing with pushing buttons to get the number, not turning wheels, but it's the same principle for figuring out the maximum number of combinations.
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