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security pins

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security pins

Postby mpinky96 » 11 Mar 2008 20:26

security pins. Can some one explain them to me in detail, and how to get around them?
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Postby TheCrow » 11 Mar 2008 20:32

I am no expert on this so some of you older guys don't hesitate to correct me, but to my understanding security pins come in about 3 standard different styles.

There are Spools which are shaped like and "I". These work by false setting when you catch it between the top and bottom of the pin, which since it's indented will move the cylinder over just far enough to bind another pin. However when you pick all or some of the binding pins it will again catch on the middle of the pin, since it was never correctly set.

There are Serrated Pins which are just regular pins with slight cuts in them. These work because if you catch one of the serrations (cuts) with the cylinder then it will look and feel as though it has set, but of course it will not move over completely.

Lastly there are the "Mushroom Pins" (don't remember the correct name) which in short are shaped like mushrooms. These work almost exactly like the spool pins, but I would imagine are harder to reset without dropping all the other pins, when you have falsely set one.

Good luck with your picking, I hoped this helps out.

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Postby vrocco » 11 Mar 2008 21:06

Good post with some great pictures that might make it easier to understand:

http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?t=17879

Enjoy!
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Postby exspook » 13 Mar 2008 17:52

if picking a cylinder with security pins (normally two or three found in the UK type cylinders) the best and easiest technique to begin with is as follows.

Apply tension and use a simple rake until the non security pins reach shear, the others will bind, then use an individual lifter tool to ease each locked pin up in turn (the tightest one first) adjusting the tension.

You can mentally map out the pins knowing the positions, and this will allow better results when they all drop down :roll:

If you are impressioning the lock the serated pins can easily be damaged and cause major damage!!

Happy picking
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Postby le.nutzman » 13 Mar 2008 21:55

exspook wrote:if picking a cylinder with security pins (normally two or three found in the UK type cylinders) the best and easiest technique to begin with is as follows.

Apply tension and use a simple rake until the non security pins reach shear, the others will bind, then use an individual lifter tool to ease each locked pin up in turn (the tightest one first) adjusting the tension.

You can mentally map out the pins knowing the positions, and this will allow better results when they all drop down :roll:

If you are impressioning the lock the serated pins can easily be damaged and cause major damage!!

Happy picking


Most of the time you can do this and it might work for you. When dealing with locks you have to deal with the security pins in the lock first. Most of the time you're going to find them pretty easily.

To the OP, dealing with security pins works like this:

Spool pins: When you false set them, you'll get more than normal plug movement and then a dead stop in plug movement. HOWEVER, lighten the tension but remain constant, and continue to life that pin stack and you should see and feel the plug start to rotate backwards like it's trying to reset itself. This is actually the spool pin overcoming the lower lip that it's caught on. Once the spool pin clears the lower lip of the spool, the plug will again rotate forward, but not nearly as much as the false set. If you continue to attempt to lift the pin stack at this point, it will feel like a very solid stop. This security pin is now set correctly.

Serrated Pins: These will be harder to deal with, and the only real way to deal with them is through proper tension control. When you false set a serrated pin, it will feel like a solid stop correctly set pin, HOWEVER, if you let up on the tension while keeping it constant, the pin stack will continue to rise and either set correctly or false set on another serration. Again, you have to continue to adjust the tension appropriately and you can overcome the serrated pin.

Something else to keep in mind too is that by false setting a security pin, it will transer the binding pin to another pin. And that pin will bind again. Just some things to think about.
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Postby nylocksmith » 23 Mar 2008 7:32

Thanks for the thread with the pictures. I should put them in my site
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Postby freakparade3 » 23 Mar 2008 9:32

nylocksmith wrote:Thanks for the thread with the pictures. I should put them in my site


Thats not a good idea. When you signed up here you agreed all content of this site stays here.
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Re: security pins

Postby freakparade3 » 23 Mar 2008 9:32

mpinky96 wrote:security pins. Can some one explain them to me in detail, and how to get around them?


Heres a link to a site that will help you alot. http://deviating.net/lockpicking/topics.html
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Postby bumber » 23 Mar 2008 19:45

freakparade3 wrote:
nylocksmith wrote:Thanks for the thread with the pictures. I should put them in my site


Thats not a good idea. When you signed up here you agreed all content of this site stays here.


Just goes to show you who reads what...huh?
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