Unpickable Yale?

by **kendale** » 7 Jul 2004 17:43

Hi
I have opened x5s with electric pick guns and rap keys but not a 100% sucess rate.

by **pinky** » 7 Jul 2004 17:47

its not an unbeatable lock, just bloody difficult, as ken its pick gun for me too, though the german pick is supposed to open them 100%.

i still rely on good old joe public having a crap nightlatch set which is usualy the case, if it wont slip then we get it with the letterbox kit

by **Mad Mick** » 7 Jul 2004 17:53

As previously debated in this thread, what purpose does the plate in the bottom of the keyway serve in the normal operation of this lock?

Now we have some knowledgeable persons with experience of this lock, this question may be cleared up.

by **Mad Mick** » 7 Jul 2004 17:55

I ask this, as the notch in the key looks to be outside the keyway when inserted.....

by **pinky** » 7 Jul 2004 18:04

according to my learned friend the imortal one, its the thin plate used to secure the pins after they are bottom loaded.

by **Mad Mick** » 7 Jul 2004 18:53

viewtopic.php?t=2357&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Look at the arrow. May be wrong, but I don't see how all of the pins could be loaded though this one hole. The debate was whether this plate/pin needs to be depressed for the plug to turn.....

by **frollard** » 7 Jul 2004 20:12

better pull that cylinder apart to see what the little pin jobby thing IS

by **quicklocks** » 8 Jul 2004 6:45

by **Mad Mick** » 8 Jul 2004 16:48

Sorry, my bad. Guess I skimmed through the posts a bit too quickly......

by **quicklocks** » 9 Jul 2004 11:59

by **frollard** » 9 Jul 2004 14:33

and having missed that comment - its REALLY easy to mistake that picture

good stuff.

by **kendale** » 10 Jul 2004 14:59

Hi
When you remove the barrel from the x5 there is a small ball bearing in the front of the barrel which is under spring pressure and a small hole like a dimple in the casing at twelve 0 clock, this is not to stop your drill, it simply clicks in place when you are about to remove the key it actually aligns the keyway at 12 0 clock. If the key did not have a cut out at the bottom of the keyway near the bow the ball bearing would not have any movement to work properly. This is just a theory what do you think.

by **lordofbaal** » 10 Jul 2004 23:56

kendale wrote:Hi
When you remove the barrel from the x5 there is a small ball bearing in the front of the barrel which is under spring pressure and a small hole like a dimple in the casing at twelve 0 clock, this is not to stop your drill, it simply clicks in place when you are about to remove the key it actually aligns the keyway at 12 0 clock. If the key did not have a cut out at the bottom of the keyway near the bow the ball bearing would not have any movement to work properly. This is just a theory what do you think.

I don't think this it the case with an X5 as although there is a ball bearing it is on the top of the cylinder and there is nothing for it to 'click' into.

I think the ball bearing is there to protect from drilling as it is in line with the shear line

Here are some pictures of an X5 which I have painstakingly taken apart ... I would put it back together if I could find the pins!

http://img68.photobucket.com/albums/v20 ... CF1657.jpg
http://img68.photobucket.com/albums/v20 ... CF1656.jpg
http://img68.photobucket.com/albums/v20 ... CF1653.jpg
http://img68.photobucket.com/albums/v20 ... CF1650.jpg

If any more pictures are wanted please ask as i wont be rebuilding the lock for a while :oops:

LordOfBaal

by **lordofbaal** » 11 Jul 2004 0:08

Just to clarify where the bearing is ...

http://img68.photobucket.com/albums/v20 ... _002PB.jpg

LordOfBaal

by **why** » 13 Jul 2004 8:50

i finaly done it

i picked it by using the snake pick and applying very very light tension.

by the way i used some cheap slimline steel southord picks.

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