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Quick Master Lock Question

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Quick Master Lock Question

Postby _ » 24 Mar 2008 1:54

Forgive my noobishness, but I've searched the stickys and can't find what I need. How do you know a Master Lock's number? I went to the Master Lock product page, and the product numbers don't seem to correspond to the one's discussed here. I went to THIS sticky because I wanted to know if there are any security pins in keyed locks that look like this:
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The product page says its a 1500 (maybe I have the wrong number), but the table on these forums doesn't even go that high.
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Re: Quick Master Lock Question

Postby WOT » 24 Mar 2008 2:34

Irrelevant. There is no pin in a combo lock.
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Postby _ » 24 Mar 2008 2:39

Not true. One I bought in school a while back has a keyhole in the back. Apparently one of the administrators had a master key.
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Postby Urbex » 24 Mar 2008 9:53

Schools have a key override for their combination locks.

Masterlock 1525
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Postby _ » 24 Mar 2008 9:55

So the "Product Number" is, in fact, what people refer to when they say stuff like "#3" and "#140"? If so, "1525" isn't listed on these forums. Anyone know if my lock has security pins?
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Postby freakparade3 » 24 Mar 2008 10:16

No, it does not have security pins.
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Postby jedidove » 24 Mar 2008 10:58

It has 3 pins and no security I believe. We use the same at our school and they are ridiculously easy to pick. Don't bother using it for practice. Its fun to laugh at once and a while though. They all have the same keying so once you pick one its the same picking motion for all (for the most part).

Single pin picking can be a pain in the @ss on these for a few reasons:
1. It is a very small tumbler so fitting your tools in their without moving is enough of an accomplishment.
2. The lock are often gummed up making it even more fun.
3. Once again everything is small so trying to move one pin isn't a cakewalk.
4. I never got grade feedback from one.

I'm actually going to go try to SPP one I have now to verify my claims. In the mean time though, a form of raking can do wonders. Its a form I have no name for and has worked for an old kwickset of mine. It is really dependent on the keying though. Basically you just insert a pick all the way to the back and make a full tilt in both directions like a seesaw. You use the head of the pick to hit the back pins and the shaft for the front. In my case the bogota half diamond opens this thing in less than a second, literally. For my kwicket I use to open it in less than a second with any flat surface (tension tool, pick back). However, it is really dependent on the keying.

Just try raking it, mostly with a rocking motion. Once you find a motion that works, you've created a key of sorts for everyone's lock. Do be careful of your pick getting stuck on something in the lock or your tensioner, due to the small size. A few times my lock failed to open because of this. Sometimes, it can also cause the plug to stop turning halfway through. These locks are cheap so things get jammed and messed up easily. It may require some extra tension while turning to engage the spring latch and open the shackle.

All in all it is a waste of time though, for practicing. It is fun though to be a sort of locksmith helping people facing lockouts. The whole "You can do that!?" look is priceless. However, watch your self. If you brag about picking, take your picks out constantly, or tell a crap load of people word can eventually get to deans, principles etc. Though it may be perfectly legal to have picks they won't think twice to punish you for them and or try to confiscate them (I say try because they can't. I would walk out of the school, expelled, grasping them. No way their throwing out my stuff). Most importantly, NEVER pick anyone's lock without them being there, giving you permission, and being 100% sure its their lock. Bad mojo will follow bad pickers, beware. Uphold the standards of this site and you"ll have a good time :)
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Postby jedidove » 24 Mar 2008 11:05

I think its actually 4 pins and SPP is still a pain in the ass :lol:
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Postby reenignE » 24 Mar 2008 14:35

There's really no need to ever pick one of these locks.

It's not very good practice........unless you want to practice small key ways i guess, but even then, there are better choices...

If you actually need to open one of these locks, just shim it. No need to risk breaking your picks in that tiny, poorly designed key way when a coke can will do just fine, and probably in half the time.
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Postby _ » 24 Mar 2008 20:25

reenignE wrote:There's really no need to ever pick one of these locks.

It's not very good practice........unless you want to practice small key ways i guess, but even then, there are better choices...

If you actually need to open one of these locks, just shim it. No need to risk breaking your picks in that tiny, poorly designed key way when a coke can will do just fine, and probably in half the time.


Yeah, it was the first lock I picked because it was all I had at the time; and yes, I've already destroyed the mechanisms. I can set the pins, but it won't open anymore. I posted here because I was wondering why its been harder to pick than the lock I bought which has spool pins. I see why you can't learn much from it.
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Postby digital_blue » 24 Mar 2008 21:22

I am an administrator and I have a master key for these locks.

Here's a picture of it: HERE

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Postby jedidove » 24 Mar 2008 22:38

Try opening the lock by combination then pick it again. I remeber a few times I picked this kind of lock a few times then it stopped popping the shackle. I opened it by combo, closed it, then repicked it and it opened. This lock is such a waste though. Its just full of ways to get it open and its not even a good teacher. Most expensive do not disturb sign I've ever put on my locker.
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Postby bumber » 25 Mar 2008 14:16

Im sure this is your lock and everything like that, but if for some reason someone has one at school and you ''have'' to open it for them remember in 'most' cases the school is still the owner of the lock and they only rent them out to students for the year, so that being said you could get in more trouble than you think...if they wanted you to :?
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Postby reenignE » 25 Mar 2008 14:34

lol at d_b.

You had me going for a second.....
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Postby jedidove » 25 Mar 2008 16:27

bumber wrote:Im sure this is your lock and everything like that, but if for some reason someone has one at school and you ''have'' to open it for them remember in 'most' cases the school is still the owner of the lock and they only rent them out to students for the year, so that being said you could get in more trouble than you think...if they wanted you to :?


QFT. My school sells them to us to keep but your mileage may vary. Be careful with school stuff, we don't need LP101 on any blacklists :lol: . You don't really seem like that type of person, this is more for the high schooler who runs into this thread and decides to go impress some friends at school. I shouldn't really talk though, I'm doing my final speech in public speaking on locks, both attack and defense. In it I'm thinking of picking one of these school combo locks (my own of course) in less than a second for shock value. Even better my teacher is the headmaster :lol:. I'm not sure if its the best idea anymore... :?
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