Cyclinder turned but door was still locked?

[litze84]

I have picked house door 5 pin tumble, which was upside down meaning the pins were located on the bottom and not at the top i have no trouble picking these locks either right side up or upside down, the problem i had ran into is:

I picked the 5 pin lock and the cylinder turned, the problem was the lock did not open..so conclusion is the cylinder turned which should of unlocked it but it did not unlock. Could someone tell me why this happened, did this 5 pin lock have to be turned one way and then turned the other for the lock to open, please i am confused.

I can pick these locks within under a minute with a flatehead screwdriver and a homeade pick.

[blackwave]

did you try and turn the lock the other way? Give it a try.

If the lock is old enough it is possible that the springs can no longer sustain the weight of the combined pins the way it used to... though this would not allow the cylinder to turn at all.

[litze84]

Well the cylinder turned so I must be giving the right tenching (clockwise). I guess i did not explain myself enough.

As the cylinder turned it wouldn't go any further so yes the cylinder turned but it stopped : lets sat you start at 0% and halfway would be 50%a complete rotation of the cylinder would be 100% turning clockwise.

my cylinder on the lock would stop at about 25% or 30%
and i would not be able to turn it any further. almost like it was stuck,jammed, if the cylinder turned is it possible for a pin to pop back out even if it has been turned...thats why im confused.

Maybe the way i am explaining it confuses you but i think its the only way i can explain it to bring a mental image to your head.

...This is an old lock and i couldn't even tell you the manufacture because it doesn't even have a name on the lock like most.

I mean i picked it more than once...but it just doesnt open the lock which makes me baffled.

If theres any additional information you could inform me on i would appreciate it i tried to explain my problem with the best intentions.

[Xler]

I had the same problem. What you have to do is turn it with something alot stronger then a tension wrench, mabey the tip of a key smaller than meant for the lock.

And if you turned it that much, a pin would not pop back out. It is safe to take the tension wrench out and insert something stronger.

[Kysi]

i wouldnt use a smaller key, could break and bend, that happened to me once id reccomend an allen wrench that was flattened in a vise.

[Xler]

I've also used a key for the same type of lock but only put the tip in.

[skeleton_keys]

If it's a key-in-knob lock (instead of a deadbolt), it's entirely possible the cylinder might be coming loose inside the knob. . .on many key-in-knobs, the cylinder is self-contained, and just inserted through a hole in the front of the knob. It may be that the whole cylinder is trying to turn inside the lock, which would explain why a pin could pop back up. . .hmm. On the other hand, if it's a deadbolt, you may want to open it up and take it apart, and see if any of the interior mechanisms are just broken or old, and maybe replace them with salvaged parts from another lock.

[plasticcat]

i had the same problem my dad found out i had a lock pick set and was like dude pick this lock for me so i can get it rekeyed cause they want 50 extra bucks if they anted to pick it , after about 3 minutes of picking i got it opened and was like wtf it stoped 50 % for me so i got a screw driver turned it btw most of the good door knobs i delt with you use the key to turn the hadel if you turn it 50 % then it stops and take out your picks and tension wrench and turn it by hand it wont do anything so just stick a screw driver in start of the hole and turn the door will open

[Varjeal]

It sounds like you may have one of four problems.

1. You picked it in the wrong direction.
2. You need to apply more pressure to turn it.
3. You may need to rock it back and forth some to get the tail piece to engage the inside knob (due to wear) in order to unlock it.
4. Either the tail piece on the lock, or the latch itself is excessively wore and will not retract.

Hope this helps.

[raimundo]

you said that the keyway was upside down, perhaps you have a european lock, which is normally installed in this pins down fashion, these are also normally keyholed on both sides of the door, it is possible to pick these locks and not have the cam in the middle of the lock turn. This is because when the key is in, and the cylinder is unlocked, it is the tip of the key that picks up the cam. does the key operate the lock in the direction (clockwisee or counterclockwise) that you turned it when picking. For a european style cylinder like this you will have to make an tool that will reach through the picked cylinder and link it to the cam. look at the key to the lock, on the tip, you might see a shiny wear spot, this is the cam pickup point that you must reach to link the cam and the cylinder to operate the lock. What is the name on the lock. this is the important information. Where you are located is also a clue, but a piece of hardware could have been imported for this installation if someone, perhaps a european wanted it.

[toomush2drink]

If it is a euro profile lock just insert a wiper blade into the back of the lock once you have picked it and it should turn with the wiper blade.The wiper blade takes control of the cam as raimundo pointed out.

[AlterEgo]

i wouldnt use a smaller key, could break and bend, that happened to me once id reccomend an allen wrench that was flattened in a vise.

I would guess the problem is either this or you are picking it in the wrong direction. If it's the former, I usually use a small screwdriver. Many of my friends use a tool from a Leatherman.

[AlterEgo]

Oh, and I should have said before...be careful not to turn it too far, or you'll 180 the lock.

[HeadHunterCEO]

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