Can't Rake!

[Rockebella]

I have two 4-pin master locks. I can pick one of them with a half-dimond pick or a half-hook pick and I can't pick the other one at all yet. I read that raking is suppost to be relly easy, but cant do it. I try sweeping it out fast and it doesn't work and I try going slow, but not 1 pin will stay up.

PS: Im using a S-Rake, but I also have a few other rakes if others are easyer.

[unlisted]

Step 1. Put the rake down

Step 2. Pick up the half diamond pick-again.

Step 3. Spend lots of time, and learn to "feel" the pins, you will eventually realize which pin is causing you the issues.

Step 4. Once you can easily pick both locks many times, than try raking.. Raking is not really a "picking skill" so to say.. it works on the same principles as a snap gun..

Also, your using a tensioner also, right? (if not, use one)

[Rockebella]

That's the same thing as a tension wrench, right? If so, then yes I am.

What do you mean by 'the pin that gives me trubble.

Also, these are my first 2 locks and Im not 100% if they are just regular locks. On the one that I can pick, the only pin that I need to push up is the 4th one. And the 1st pin on both of the locks won't stay up no matter how high I push it or how much torch I apply.

[freakparade3]

padlocks are not ideal for beginners. Get yourself a kwikset deadbolt. Padlocks can be finicky as far as tension and feel go. The more you mess with them the harder they get to pick. I have a few I could pick easily when I first began, but I can't pick them now. The keys work fine, I just can't pick them.

[Rockebella]

I know this is probolly a stupid question, but what exactly is the difference between a dead bolt and a regular lock?

Also, how many pins do deadbolts have?

[mr_chris79]

im not sure if im right but i think its because a deadbolt isnt operated by a return spring as a normal lock is,once its set it stays until you turn the key backwards a couple of rotations,please correct me as im not sure myself

[freakparade3]

I know this is probolly a stupid question, but what exactly is the difference between a dead bolt and a regular lock?

Also, how many pins do deadbolts have?

Mr. Cgrid was close. You don't turn a deadbolt "a couple of times" to unlock it. A deadbolt lock is not part of a handle or door knob. They are installed above the door handle for added security. They have a thumbturn on the inside of the door you use to lock or unlock. The lock cylinder is outside the door and you use a key to lock or unlock it. Most residential deadbolts are 5 pin locks, some are 6. Most commercial deadbolt locks are 6 pin.

[mr_chris79]

brilliant i love this place! thanks freakparade3,once again you came up with the goods.

[Rockebella]

Ah, I never would have guessed that deadbolts are easyer to pick than the actual door nob lock (is there a name for it?).

Thanks for the help!

[vitti]

door knob locks are referred to as Key In Knob or KIK. They are harder to pick because there is often spring tension on the plug, similar to a padlock. Also the knob turns and shifts easy while picking which adds a slight degree of difficulty. With a deadbolt the only tension on the plug is what you put on it with the wrench. This gives better feedback making the lock easier to open.

The KIK locks are likely made to the same tolerances and use the same plug, pins and springs and their deadbolt counterpart, it's that spring tension and unstable working platform that makes one harder than the other.

[J-Hood]

When both the knob and the DB are mounted the knob can be loose and the play can mess with you a bit. The DB is usually rigid and therefore less variance will be encountered. The reason he is suggesting a Kwickset DB is that the key way is huge and they have a huge amount of give in them. I might have to start saving all the KW-1 crap i pull off doors for the newbies.

Another advantage to Kwickset as a learning lock is they are cheap!! You can find them at any big quality killing store like Home Depot or Wal-Mart for about $10 brand new. There is not much real metal used in them so they will likely stay cheap for a long time. Everything with brass in it is heading up $$$

Jason

[Rockebella]

Alright guys, I guess I'll go and buy one of thoes kwikset DB sometime this week. I'll post back if I have any trubble. Thanks for all the help!

[Rockebella]

Ok guys, so I managed to pick the SCHLAGE deadbolt on my front door, but when I turn the tenchon wrench, it doesn't open. What am I doing wrong?

[freakparade3]

Ok guys, so I managed to pick the SCHLAGE deadbolt on my front door, but when I turn the tenchon wrench, it doesn't open. What am I doing wrong?

What you are doing wrong is picking a lock that is in use! You are a beginner and many things can go wrong inside a lock causing is to become useless. Do not pick that lock again.

[Rockebella]

Thanks for the heads up! The lock on my front door is $30.00, that would of sucked if I broak it.