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6 lever

European hardware -lever locks, profile cylinders specific for European locks. European lock picks and European locks.

6 lever

Postby jpb06080 » 27 Apr 2008 17:19

Ive had a couple of old 6 lever padlocks for a while now, one by yale and the other is too worn to figure out the manufacturer. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with these...Impressioning would probably work best, but finding the blanks will probably be difficult, and besides, impressioning isnt really my fortay. Just wondering if anyone had any ideas/advice about picking them. Thanks.

Heres a link to something similar so you know what Im talking about.
http://members.aol.com/grclausen/pics/sl4.jpg


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Postby greyman » 28 Apr 2008 4:56

You probably won't find a blank for this. Best bet is to apply heaps of tension to the shackle and probe about to get the levers to stick in the right place. It's not a lever lock anyway - the "levers" are just hooks with a spring to keep them up against the shackle.
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Postby jpb06080 » 28 Apr 2008 21:48

greyman wrote:You probably won't find a blank for this. Best bet is to apply heaps of tension to the shackle and probe about to get the levers to stick in the right place. It's not a lever lock anyway - the "levers" are just hooks with a spring to keep them up against the shackle.


Thanks for the reply. I know they are not lever locks, Ive taken one of them apart many times. Rather, this style is known as the 6 lever, (also 8 lever and 4 lever models are out there). Thats good advice about yanking on the shackle really hard. Its still pretty tough to get a pick in there however. I'll have to make some new ones for these.

The other thing ive found about these locks is that they contain a large wafer in the center which works as a ward. This makes it that much more difficult to get a pick in there. Not a bad little lock considering how old it is.
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Postby jpb06080 » 28 Apr 2008 23:07

I thought I might throw these pics of a few of these types of locks i have. I don't know if this kind of thing is already up here, so I hope i'm showing people something new. Hope you guys find it interesting. Oh, and Greyman, that tip was really helpful. I pulled real hard on it and got some of the hooks to stay off the shackle, but i could quite get them all. I'll keep working on it though.

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Unopened. This lock was made by Yale, which it says on the pic but is kinda hard to read. Can't find a date on it, but it probably predates 1900, since Linius Yale invented the pin tumbler around 1885.


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Here it is opened with the mechanism exposed. Just a quick note, this lock was opened by grinding off the carraige bolts. This makes these antique locks COMPLETELY unsellable/ruins the lock's value. Make sure the lock isn't worth too much before you start destroying it.


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Here is the lock taken apart completely. you can see how the left and right arms catch on the shackle. Also, in the top right you can see the wafer/ward beneath the spring. (at least thats what I think its for)


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here is a couple pictures of an antique Sargent I have which is sort of similar, although works a bit differently. There are numbers on the inside which you can just make out in the picture. The numbers are 739 1/2. If anyone knows what these numbers mean, Id be curious to know. I dont think its the key code, as the numbers dont seem to indicate heights on the key.
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Postby greyman » 29 Apr 2008 3:30

No worries. Thanks for posting the photos - it's the first time I've seen inside one of these beasties! I have one of these but I didn't want to wreck it getting it open. Let us know if you manage to pick it and what type of tool you come up with.

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