bump key question

[samfishers]

I searched around the forum. and didn't found what I was looking for.. here's the question..

If per example I take a Weiser blank key, I cut it all to 99999, would It make a proper bump key, or do I need to adjust something? if so, what do I need to adjust??

[Safety0ff]

Shoulder and tip, as well as having those little peaks at the appropriate spacing.

[maxxed]

With Weiser locks I have come across some that are not drilled to a 9 depth, they will are only drilled to a 7 depth. So you may want to have a 777 key for when the 999 key does not contact the pins

[Jaakko]

With Weiser locks I have come across some that are not drilled to a 9 depth, they will are only drilled to a 7 depth. So you may want to have a 777 key for when the 999 key does not contact the pins

The term "999" key just refers to the deepest cuts, it doesn't have any other meaning, so with Weiser you just cut so deep as the deepest.

[StabbyJoe]

it would be great if someone could post a picture of a 999 key that got converted to a bump key... I want to see to what degree and shape you need to file the tip, and when someone says to file the shoulder... do you mean the sides of the key that contact the warding?

[WOT]

it would be great if someone could post a picture of a 999 key that got converted to a bump key... I want to see to what degree and shape you need to file the tip, and when someone says to file the shoulder... do you mean the sides of the key that contact the warding?

http://www.google.com keywords bump, keys

[StabbyJoe]

Just thought I might not be the only one wanting the info... I'll google it, though... but people are always so vague on forums on this subject.

Thanks anyway

[hydruh]

Just thought I might not be the only one wanting the info... I'll google it, though... but people are always so vague on forums on this subject.

This is a picking forum, and while bump keys are important to locksmiths and security professionals, they have little to nothing to do with the challenge of lockpicking. Because of that, they have been a sort of verboten topic.

S

[Safety0ff]

With Weiser locks I have come across some that are not drilled to a 9 depth, they will are only drilled to a 7 depth. So you may want to have a 777 key for when the 999 key does not contact the pins

The term "999" key just refers to the deepest cuts, it doesn't have any other meaning, so with Weiser you just cut so deep as the deepest.

Unless he's talking about "Shallow drilling," but I thought that they would only shallow drill certain pin stacks, not all. Unless I'm mistunderstanding what he means.

[freakparade3]

Just thought I might not be the only one wanting the info... I'll google it, though... but people are always so vague on forums on this subject.

Thanks anyway

Most brands of lock like schlage use 9 different depths for their keys. Others have fewer depths, Kwikset has 7. So for a kwikset bump key you would cut a key to a 7 depth in all spaces. They are still refered to as 999 keys though. It's just a general term that covers bump keys. I believe it became a more popular term due to the sellers on Ebay. They cannot sell bump keys so they listed them as 999 keys or depth keys to get around the rule.

freakparade3

[samfishers]

so, for modifying the tip and the shoulder is there a specific range or something, or is it more like " try -it-then-try-it-again-until-it-works"?

[StabbyJoe]

Just thought I might not be the only one wanting the info... I'll google it, though... but people are always so vague on forums on this subject.

This is a picking forum, and while bump keys are important to locksmiths and security professionals, they have little to nothing to do with the challenge of lockpicking. Because of that, they have been a sort of verboten topic.

S

Thanks for letting me know... explains a lot on why some people can be quite vague on the subject. I am interested in bumping, but I don't have much interest in practicing it... It sort of seems to take some of the hobby aspect out of it when you use something designed for a speedy entry like that.

My advice to anyone interested in getting deeper into it is to find a forum/site on bumping, and maybe check out some youtube vids (though on youtube you will find they just grab a triangle file, file all the cuts down to the shoulder of the key (the part where it bends outward to go around lock warding) and then maybe show you how to use one.

To answer the question at the beginning of the topic to the best of my knowledge: not really, but i think you may want to file the cuts slightly deeper?