HOW can people sell restricted keys on ebay??

[bumber]

Ive seen alot of keys that fall under restricted and do not duplicate up for sale on ebay and other than a few I can think of the rest can be cut by average joe with a key machine...although key machines are normally only sold to locksmiths I know alot of people that are not lockies that have one and ive been offered one for sale before...

So how can you buy/sell/trade such restricted keys legally to just anyone?
It would be one thing if you had to show proof of being a locksmith or whatever but if they get their money you get your blanks NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!!

any thoughts on that one?

[freakparade3]

It's a good question. If it's a locksmith selling his stock and he gets the proper documentation he would be within the terms of his contract. Unless it's like mine, I was specifically warned NOT to sell anything on Ebay.

[pickipook]

you can find pick tools on ebay as well...

[Jaakko]

ad

Please do not post your own links and into a topic that has nothing to do with your link.

On topic: Why would it be illegal to sell restricted blanks? If the blanks are genuine, there is no patent infringement atleast. Or am I missing something here?

[freakparade3]

you can find pick tools on ebay as well...

Pickipook I tried taking care of this through PM but you never check them. STOP adding a link to your site in every post you make. You may add it in your profile, but not every post, and not your signature.

freakparade3

[bumber]

ad

Please do not post your own links and into a topic that has nothing to do with your link.

On topic: Why would it be illegal to sell restricted blanks? If the blanks are genuine, there is no patent infringement atleast. Or am I missing something here?

its more of an ethics thing over legal IMO, because if a locksmith cant buy a pick set then why can Tom Nobody buy keys that are supposed to be hard to come by? I mean isnt that the whole point of having restricted keys? To keep everyone from being able to get access to them and making illegal copies? Well if not then I missed something

[WOT]

ad

Please do not post your own links and into a topic that has nothing to do with your link.

On topic: Why would it be illegal to sell restricted blanks? If the blanks are genuine, there is no patent infringement atleast. Or am I missing something here?

Restricted means the manufacturer and its dealers will only sell to approved buyers.

For example, if Snap-On wants to only sell its Philips screwdriver to licensed mechanics, it has the right to establish such a restriction, so from the manufacturers point of view, it's a restricted product. The licensed mechanic however is not legally prevented from selling them to other people. There was no contractual violation if the supply chain didn't violate contract.

If the blanks are patented, the only breach would be if someone fabricated them without obtaining a license. The original Primus patent expired last year, but Schlage still will not sell end user exclusive blanks to anyone.

However... It no longer has the authority to prevent a machine shop from furnishing and duplicating Primus blanks and this is a good thing for free competition.

Do you want the manufacturer of everything to have the legal power to prevent the production of after market parts so it can have a monopoly indefinitely?
"No, no. We made that car and only we are allowed to make and market the oil filters for it and we pick the price"

Obviously that is not good for everyone.

So, would it be fair to other industries to grant exclusivity rights beyond the patent duration to only the security industry? No it isn't.

So if you want exclusivity, you have to play the game like everyone else. Make something unique, obtain a patent and enjoy it until it is expired or challenged to be invalid (i.e. Best Lock Corp v. Ilco Unican corp where Best tried to patent their keyway on basis of "ornamental feature" and lost when Ilco challenged it)

[WOT]

It's a good question. If it's a locksmith selling his stock and he gets the proper documentation he would be within the terms of his contract. Unless it's like mine, I was specifically warned NOT to sell anything on Ebay.

The contract said YOU are not to sell them on eBay. However, if you sell your entire business to someone including inventory, this sale did not breach the contract between you and your supplier.

The no sale on eBay clause doesn't follow the new owner, so if he finds the blanks unnecessary for his business, he can't be prevented from selling on eBay, although if the manufacturer offered to buy back for more than he can sell on eBay, it would give him an incentive not to sell on eBay.

I know this isn't what some locksmiths want to hear, but this is reality.

[freakparade3]

If I cancel my contract for any reason I am required by contract to return all locks and keys to the company.

[bumber]

so, hearing all that I agree with it...but I think that they should not be allowed to sell them like that. its just an opinion now that everything has been cleared up but still other than "yea its legal so they are still going to" do you guys think they should be able to? And yes I understand it would be almost impossible to take off certain keys and not others but still...there should be at least an effort...

[WOT]

so, hearing all that I agree with it...but I think that they should not be allowed to sell them like that. its just an opinion now that everything has been cleared up but still other than "yea its legal so they are still going to" do you guys think they should be able to? And yes I understand it would be almost impossible to take off certain keys and not others but still...there should be at least an effort...

eBay is already quite restrictive. If eBay started prohibiting items at the request from each and every industry seeking to restrict them in their own interest, you won't be able to buy anything.

What if the entertainment industry decided the purchase of a CD/DVD is a non-transferable purchase to the original purchaser to the use of contents and asked to have all pre-owned CDs/DVDs? This might sound like a joke, but the maker of the famous AutoCAD software pulled just this crap.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070913/110424.shtml

Every industry is going to think their own industry is the most important one and if eBay accommodated every one of their request, we'd no longer be able to buy/sell things that we already *OWN* because the industry delegate for the particular product you're selling would rather it be disallowed.

Some locksmith will claim the sale of some items will compromise the interest of their industry.

Ecoliberals will claim the sale of SUVs are going to demolish the earth..

There's a price to be paid by everyone for being allowed to have mostly free trading environment and everyone being able to buy restricted blanks is a small price compared to having corporations and the government further controlling what we can and can't trade.

[Safety0ff]

if Snap-On wants to only sell its Philips screwdriver to licensed mechanics,

When I first read that I skimmed over the "if" part... I almost went out looking to buy a Philips head Snap-On.

HOW can people sell restricted keys on ebay??

Well first they make an ebay account... (Sorry couldn't stop myself.)

[bumber]

I tryed....

[WOT]

:roll: I tryed....

Check this out.

You can buy some aftermarket Medeco blanks complete with RESTRICTED DO NOT DUPLICATE from the ILCO's look-a-like series.