Medeco question from a miser

[apb]

Okay, so I know I'm risking getting my pee pee spanked over saying medeco in this section, but here goes. Browsing ebay the other day I found a medeco lock that wouldn't cause me to file for early bankruptcy after I purchased it so i did for 24.99 USD. On the box it says "Medeco ASSA ABLOY" Its described as "Medeco Rim Cylinder Bump Proof same as Mul T Lock". My question is out there for all you medeco pickers, Are the same principles used to pick medeco locks the same. I would have liked to get an M3 but can't bring myself to drop 50+ bucks for a lock. I'm hoping this lock will give the same sort of feedback to get better at medeco picking techniques but if anyone out there has seen significant pick-style differences between the different medecos what would they be?Basically I'm asking if i canget away withbeing a cheap b****rd and stillhave my cake and eat it too. I'd post this in the advanced section but after the Medeco Manipulation thread and the fact that I have shameful post numbers I'll ask it here. Thanks to all.

[bumber]

well basicly yes they are picked the same as regular pin locks, in the sense that you lift the pins and it unlocks...now its hard to say if you have any of the special pins in you lock or not, but you probly do.

the tolerances are going to be higher than probly everthing else you have tryed to pick which is also an issuse to deal with, other than that if you could post a pic of it or link us to where you bought it we can tell you a little more about it...hope that helps a little

[apb]

Well what I'm trying to find out is if there is a difference between picking medeco locks based on their price, or if the same techniques apply. I need to stop rambling in my posts.

[bumber]

well the better medeco locks do cost more as they go up, but if you buy a used one or get a deal or something its hard to go by price alone...also in the price you have to look at if you are getting just the lock part itself or all the door hardware also...someone just had a post up of all the medeco models in order...*investigates...*

[bumber]

Here is a thread by Squelchtone with some pics of Medeco cylinder faces. It should answer your question.
viewtopic.php?t=36258

If it says "Medeco" and little else, it's probably an original cylinder.
If it says "Medeco" and has a circle on it bisected by a vertical line that is slightly off center, it's a Biaxial.
If it says "Medeco" and "m3" on it then it's an M3 cylinder.
If it says "Medeco" and "m3B" then it's a BiLevel cylinder.

basicly thats how they go in order of difficulty, so research those and you will find what prices you are looking to pay for which lock...

[apb]

Thanks for that link. I'm attempting a picture here of the lock. I guess my next question would be is there a deffirence between picking the M3 and this lock with 51S on the face since the M3 seems to be in a lot of discussion.



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[apb]

[img]http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm265/metroid50/DSC00941-1.jpg[/img]
Okay let me try this again.

[unlisted]

Here ya go: When your using photobucket, there is a IMG link, cut and paste that directly, no need for url codes.

[apb]

Thanks man, I needed that. First pic post. Nuff said.

[David_Parker]

Correction bumper, I know this isn't your doing, but the Medeco Bi-Level isn't higher in security to the M3 due to its lack of UL437 listing. Medecos 2008 catalogue lists it as 'not resistant to picking, punching, or bumping, but does offer key restrictions' or something along those lines.

....I'm not calling MBI a liar, or Squelchtone, I'm just informing from what I know.


-Dave.

[Safety0ff]

Correction bumper, I know this isn't your doing, but the Medeco Bi-Level isn't higher in security to the M3 due to its lack of UL437 listing. Medecos 2008 catalogue lists it as 'not resistant to picking, punching, or bumping, but does offer key restrictions' or something along those lines.

Are you reading that list as highest security at the top or bottom? (I think it's alright with highest security at the top.)

I think that post was originaly intended for identification rather than rating the security.

[MBI]

Correction bumper, I know this isn't your doing, but the Medeco Bi-Level isn't higher in security to the M3 due to its lack of UL437 listing. Medecos 2008 catalogue lists it as 'not resistant to picking, punching, or bumping, but does offer key restrictions' or something along those lines.

-Dave.

The list that I made which bumber reposted is in the order of their creation, not their difficulty. Out of Medeco's high security locks I actually find the Original cylinders to be the most difficult to pick with conventional tools.

As you stated, the M3 BiLevel is not a high security lock (assuming we're talking about the U.S. BiLevel locks as opposed to the European ones). It's a high quality lock, but definitely not high security. It is made to be incorporated into masterkeying systems with M3 high security locks, to be a lower cost option for areas of a facility which don't require as high of a level of security. It uses the same keys and key control as the high security M3 cylinders. It has a slider and sidebar, but unlike the high security locks the sidebar does not interface with the pins. The slider is part of the key control system and it is what blocks the sidebar from retracting without the proper key inserted. Aside from the slider and sidebar it is a fairly conventional pin tumbler lock.

[bumber]

In my defense Im not a big medeco picker so i wouldn't really know whos who, or whats what...just that I would think they were made more secure in each new model...if nothing else he 1 knows what model he has, 2 knows how to post pics so i helped....some

[David_Parker]

Ah yes, this actually does clear some things up. I was referring to Medeco's rating and how they would list their products. It makes sense that the members of this forum would find the original harder rather than the m3, especially due to near recent events which more are due to surface. Thanks for the clarification.


-Dave.

[Legion303]

Based on my ebay experiences, $25 is way too much for a single 51S cylinder. Unless it was brand-new or something.

-steve