Plastic cylinder locks?

[WOT]

I took apart a generic residential lock with KW1 keyway and the cylinder is plastic, yet it's got serrated pins and top pins that penetrate the springs.

[freakparade3]

Was it a KIK lock? ALot f those have pins that sit inside the springs

[illusion]

I bought a KIK complete with cylinder on Ebay, to make a cut-away. I was quite disappointed to find out it had a plastic lock housing - mostly because I wasn't able to make a cut-away in the end. I have bags and bags of plugs, but none that were the right size. It's like the song "You've got 10,000 spoons, and all you need is a knife"

Urmmh, but yeah... Fantastic security.

[poor paperclip picker]

I It's like the song "You've got 10,000 spoons, and all you need is a knife"

Is that Alannis Morrisette?? Good song.... Ironic, if I recall right.... its been awhile since ive heard that

[n2oah]

I It's like the song "You've got 10,000 spoons, and all you need is a knife"

Is that Alannis Morrisette?? Good song.... Ironic, if I recall right.... its been awhile since ive heard that

Hell yes, it is indeed by Alannis. The truly great part of that song is that the situations presented aren't really "ironic", but that makes the whole premise of the song ironic.
Anyways, it sucks that you got a cylinder with a plastic housing. It's a shame that some companies try to pass that kind of crap off as "security".

[globallockytoo]

Gainsborough locks came originally with plastic bible's in many of their cheaper brands of deadbolts and KIK's. The profile was similar to KW1 but actually used a SILCA GR7 blank, which had a cutout on the bottom tip of the key.

Gainsborough was eventually bought out by TESA and converted all to etter quality products, but still used the same shape head as the GR7 even the profile standard was for the European TE2 profile.

The bottom pins and drivers were a different guage too....so standard lab pins wouldnt work.

[WOT]

Was it a KIK lock? ALot f those have pins that sit inside the springs

Click on the photo for full size. If you guys haven't noticed, I'm a 1:1 aspect ratio photo freak

It's from a no-name double cylinder deadbolt set.

[WOT]

So the keyway is the same as KW1. Shoulder to first cut is less than Kwikset and cut-to-cut spacing is wider than Kwikset.

What could it be?

[raimundo]

Does KIK mean "kick in the knob"?

[Abus]

I found a very similar cylinder a few years ago in a dollar store knock-off of the EZ-Set (itsself a poor knock-off of the relatively poor Kwickset).

Picking sensations were very, very strange, though it yielded easily to bumping/pickguns, etc. At the time, it made me wonder if a plastic coated security pin might make for *very* strange picking.

[StabbyJoe]

theres an idea actually... if the bible were plastic or something like that, which is softer than metal it may be used to confuse feedback? in many cases it would probably be used to reduce cost but theres another idea...

Like in bullet proof glass where they layer glass and plastic (I think it's plastic? memory fails me) and it absorbs more force... maybe if you made a lock that used a material that absorbed force to confuse feedback?

I don't know enough about this sort of thing to know where inside a lock such a material would be of best use, but I'm sure someone might?

Either that or the idea is just a dud

[HeadHunterCEO]

weiser=trash

[freakparade3]

weiser=trash

The ones you get at home depot are. Weiser has some pretty good models though.

[WOT]

theres an idea actually... if the bible were plastic or something like that, which is softer than metal it may be used to confuse feedback? in many cases it would probably be used to reduce cost but theres another idea...

Like in bullet proof glass where they layer glass and plastic (I think it's plastic? memory fails me) and it absorbs more force... maybe if you made a lock that used a material that absorbed force to confuse feedback?

I don't know enough about this sort of thing to know where inside a lock such a material would be of best use, but I'm sure someone might?

Either that or the idea is just a dud

If the bible is plastic, it can be burnt.

[David_Parker]

Look, its Kwikset hardware. Or Weiser. It doesn't matter, because its trash. The put no quality in most of their locks. The pins in the springs is much like a Schlage F-Series KIK cylinder in that you've got a bible thats actually a spring cover that moves up and down. I've got a photo somewhere. The pins are probably more along the lines of Weisers brand, at least from the very very little that I've seen of their hardware.