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upside down locks

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upside down locks

Postby pantelwsGTP » 11 Jun 2008 13:04

hi fellas!

I live in Greece (that's EU ) :P and all locks here have the pins to the down. As i ve seen in most lockpicking manuals in US the pins are located on the upper side of the lock.

Well it's not that much of a deal, u just have to use the tension wrench on the opposite direction to open the lock, but i was wandering as i havent tried the US lock type (with the pins up), should locks with the pins downwards be any different or more difficult than the other ones?

I mean what's the point in constructing locks with pins up or down, and not just make locks with pins up?
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Postby l618 » 11 Jun 2008 13:59

I believe they are slightly more difficult yes, but more because I think pushing pins down is harder to do in a controlled manner. But I think in the end it just comes down to what you're most used to.
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Re: upside down locks

Postby mh » 11 Jun 2008 14:56

pantelwsGTP wrote:Well it's not that much of a deal, u just have to use the tension wrench on the opposite direction to open the lock,


not really?
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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Re: upside down locks

Postby Jaakko » 11 Jun 2008 17:05

To answer to your question, basically, there is not much of difference. True, they feel a little different to pick, but usually that is it.

I mean what's the point in constructing locks with?

Cutting sentences can be fun :D :P
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Postby Jaakko » 11 Jun 2008 17:06

Erm...forgot "pins" :D
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Postby Archive555 » 12 Jun 2008 1:21

My back door is like that, with the pins on the bottom.
I find it just as easy as any other lock.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2TtFMkB9tSY
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up n down

Postby raimundo » 12 Jun 2008 6:45

Euro cylinders made to be installed with pins down have slightly stronger springs, to prevent the failure that would happen if some grit prevented the springs from pushing the driver pins UP to the SHEAR LINE. The part of the cylinder that holds the springs and driver pins is also larger there may be more of these types of locks suceptible to comb pix.

but there is no objective way to compare the picking of one type of lock over another in this case, where all are pin tumblers, each lock responds to the picker different pickers or different locks will respond differently
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