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New locks to pick

Postby Echoguy » 13 Jun 2008 16:19

Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby of lock picking, and I love it. I have only a few locks so far that I have purchased (Ace 5 pin deadbolt and doorknob set, for which I can change the pin sets, a Master 3 padlock, and an Ace 4 pin tight tolerance padlock, all of which I can pick at will.) None of my locks have security pins, and I am thinking about trying them, though I do not wish to frustrate myself if I am jumping the gun. What would you all recommend for my next step? Any suggestions? Also, I am using a homemade short hook pick made from stainless steel rod and a ground down allen wrench for a torque wrench. They provide me with what I think is a good feel, but I have never used manufactured tools. Are they much better than homemade ones? (Bearing in mind that I am no machinist)

Thanks in advance for the advice,
Kevin

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Postby slozinsky » 13 Jun 2008 19:57

I would recommend visiting a locksmith and asking for some spool pins to put into your re-pinable deadbolt cylinder. Some locksmiths may not be too keen to sell them to you however if you ask the right guy and tell him your legitimate reason for wanting them im sure they will sell them to you. I recently obtained 5 spools for about a dollar so its a pretty good way to get experience with security pins.

You could also pick up a rekeyable american lock (5200 series is what i have been playing around with lately) - they usually come loaded with several different types of security pins and since they are rekeyable you can take them apart and put them back together with as many or as few pins as you want (up to the maximum that the lock originally came with).

If you want your fix immediately you could purchase a master 140 lock - they are a 4 pin padlock that commonly have one or two spool pins. You could pick one up for about 10 bucks at a hardware store.
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Postby hydruh » 13 Jun 2008 20:00

I agree with Sloz (do you mind if I call you Sloz?) ... I have a few Master 140s and I love them. Also, you can get a rekeyable practice lock with a stand and everything that is really easy to rekey. Just search practice lock on ebay - it's around $30 and I love mine.

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Postby ToolyMcgee » 15 Jun 2008 0:27

Agreed. Master 140's are perfect for learning to pick security if you don't have any spools or serrated pins to reset your practice locks with. Some of mine came with both, oh joy. Remember though that because of their small size the pins are closer together, making it more difficult to feel out at first. As for your other question a mod tension wrench might be too rigid, especially if you are used to picking with heavy tension. Windshield wiper inserts make great rigid and twist type wrenches if you aren't opposed to picking wipers up out of your local Auto Zone's trash cans. I take a pair of needle nose pliers and do it on the spot. Don't forget the hand sanitizer. Gross.
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Postby le.nutzman » 16 Jun 2008 8:33

slozinsky wrote:I would recommend visiting a locksmith and asking for some spool pins to put into your re-pinable deadbolt cylinder. Some locksmiths may not be too keen to sell them to you however if you ask the right guy and tell him your legitimate reason for wanting them im sure they will sell them to you. I recently obtained 5 spools for about a dollar so its a pretty good way to get experience with security pins.

You could also pick up a rekeyable american lock (5200 series is what i have been playing around with lately) - they usually come loaded with several different types of security pins and since they are rekeyable you can take them apart and put them back together with as many or as few pins as you want (up to the maximum that the lock originally came with).

If you want your fix immediately you could purchase a master 140 lock - they are a 4 pin padlock that commonly have one or two spool pins. You could pick one up for about 10 bucks at a hardware store.


See now, this guy and I are one the same wave pattern here. Definitely go with a 140 for the sheer fact that they're just all around fun to play with. Then after you master the 140, if you want to up your game, any lock from the American line will introduce you to spool, serrated and spoorated pins (spools with serrations on top and bottom).

5200s are no joke, it's all about you and the lock, and it's ALWAYS about the tension. I custom pinned a 5200 with 5 spool pins as a practice lock, it kicked my tail for several weeks until I realized it wasn't the lock that was hurting me, it was my tension that was doing it. Because I pick 5200s regularly and haven't found one to date that I can't pick. That was the best lesson on tension I could have learned.

What will frustrate you even more is serrated pins because they don't break the same way a spool pin does inside the lock. Because of how they act inside the lock, they almost make you want to rip your hair out at some point sometimes. But again, feather light tension (barely finger weight resting) will normally make any pin, security or otherwise feel like a normal pin. The lighter the tension, the less of a chance you're giving the pins to utilize their security feature and just glide past to your true positive pin set.

Welcome to the forums and enjoy!
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Postby .45cal » 16 Jun 2008 11:11

poetry
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security pin

Postby raimundo » 17 Jun 2008 6:43

REading Nutzman, I got this flash on a type of security pin that may be possible. lets see if I can make a typedrawing

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\ /
\____/

the pin would have serrations with tapered angles from full width of the pin to about as deep as where a serration would be, but the angles would help it hang up on the step
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drawing

Postby raimundo » 17 Jun 2008 6:45

the drawing looked good until I posted it an then the internet screwed it up, there should be spaces between the \ and / so that its all as wide as the top and bottom of the column, I put the spaces in and the internet eliminated them.
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Re: security pin

Postby criminalhate » 17 Jun 2008 9:29

raimundo wrote:______
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For the people with no imagination.
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