ABUS N-65/50

[bugmenot101]

Hello.

Im new to this lockpicking thing, and i started off with an ABUS N-65/50 lock, witch i havnt bin able to pick yet. Used apox. 50 mins in total on it, but i dont know what part im doing wrong. I havnt bin able to find anything about how much or little tension is needed on locks, and all that stuff.
It seems like i got some of the pins right, cause the lowest pin is loose and the lock turns abit more when i get that first one. The rest is random for now.

Anyone got a clue if this lock is too "hard" for a beginner? its a 6 pin lock, also got some pictures of it.





Also triede on a ruko lock, witch i find harder. And some cheap china lock, but the keyhole is way to narrow.

I got the lockpicking set from, http://www.lockpickshop.com/PXS-14.html a 14 piece one. And im gonna make another pick my self today, cause theres "missing" on pin in the set imo.

Thanks if anyone can give me some guidance.


And im writing from this bugmenot account, cause i have waited 20 hours for the activation mail for my own account.

[Jaakko]

That lock probably contains spool pins and that makes your life hard if you are a beginner. The small rotation idicates a spool pin caught at the shearline.

And what comes to this bugmenot account, I suppose it ends up to the trash can, as the accounts should be personal.

[bugmenot101]

Well, what do you want me to do? Still havnt received a activation mail yet.

And whats a spool pin?? a fake one?

[Olson Burry]

You should check your junk mail folder for the activation email if it hasn't been received.

Spool pins are security pins, which enable the pins to feel set, but are actually still caught at the sheer line. Spools usually look like an " I "

I quickly dug up this thread which might give you an idea of what you're up against.

I've got an ABUS 60/50 (5 pin) and its got a spool in there for sure. The amount of tension I use is just enough to counteract the spring bias in the lock. If the plug moves a fair distance and stops, it probably means youve false set one of the spools. If you feel it move, just keep the wrench where it is and carry on picking. At some point you will need to increase the pressure but if the plug moves a fair distance and stops on a certain pin, try relaxing the pressure a little and pushing that pin up a bit further.

I'd say a 6 pin lock is quite hardcore for a beginner. I can highly recommend the abus 60/50 though - I picked it up from woolies for about a fiver.

[Jaakko]

Well, what do you want me to do? Still havnt received a activation mail yet.

You should, as suggested, take a peek in your Trash and if it is not there, contact the side admin digital_blue with an email or PM.

[bugmenot101]

Well, what do you want me to do? Still havnt received a activation mail yet.

You should, as suggested, take a peek in your Trash and if it is not there, contact the side admin digital_blue with an email or PM.

Heh, thanks for the reply but dont need it now. Found a better forum, where the activation mail is actuly sendt out. And yes i have looked in the trash can, and its still not there.

And for the lock, once in a while i can get it with the picks. But i get it 1 out of 3 with my lock pick gun so np now.

[NKT]

Ah, so he was a troll. What a shame he's left.

[Jaakko]

Ah, so he was a troll. What a shame he's left.

Actually more like a "I can't read instructions given" (referring to my advice on contactin db).

Better forum? LOL!

[Archive555]

Spool pins confirmed.

I recently picked one up and tried to pick it, and the signs were all there.
I'm almost certain it has spools.

[steve0527]

Its a 5 pin with 1 spool pin I have 4 of them and the spool is in the center on all of them. They are a good lock to start with but if you have trouble try a master #3 it will be good to start with.

[MisterQ]

This lock has a very good pick behavior and you get a good feedback if the pins are in current or wrong position. The pin configuration on the fist position is a common pin and on the positions 2-4 are spool pins. The best way for manipulation is to set pin 1 first, the plug will move a little bit.
Than follow the instructions of Olson Burry, on the bottom of this thread.

[raimundo]

yep, What olson said, just enough tension to overcome the spring that fights the tension. After you get it open once, you can put a bic biro pen or a small part of the barrel of one of these into the hole on the open side of the shackle and this will neutralize the Dog Springs, after doing that, you may find out more by picking it with the locking dog jacked back.
This lock appears to be shimable, although the springs are strong.

[prag]

Hi Raimundo. What is locking dog jacked? Do you have a foto of a "locking dog jacked."

[MacGyver101]

What is locking dog jacked?

Ah. The "locking dog" is the spring-loaded piece that prevents the shackle from opening when the lock is closed.

Rai is suggesting an experiment in which you open the padlock and then jam something cylindrical into the hole where the shackle would normally go when the lock is closed. This will remove the spring tension off the "locking dog" -- and, consequently, it should also remove most (all?) of the spring tension from the cylinder. It's a good suggestion for allowing you to focus on just picking the cylinder without the bother of the extra spring tension that the rest of the locking mechanism is applying.

Once you're comfortable picking it that way, close the lock normally and try again.

[Olson Burry]

(all?) of the spring tension..

All. I bought a new lock today and used this neat trick. It really does make things easier when you dont have to fight the spring bias.