Techniques for using Bagotas...

[Artkrp]

So, I finally ( took about 5 days a.k.a. FAST) recieved my Bagotas from Raimundo and I have to say, I am very impressed by their quality! They look even better than the photos!
So after messing with them a bit I have opened 2 different 5 pin Schlage dead-bolt cores. but on my other locks ( random unknowns, 6-pin schlage, master nightwatch, some padlocks) I simply cannot get them to open.
I have tried the very light and very light/varying tension techniques as well as combined it with rocking/small Back and forth movements ("nervous hand") yet I have yet to find consistent success.
Seeing as how it would appear that the last serious discussion of technique for use of bagotas was in 2006 or so, I would be willing to bet that somebody out there has developed more sound techniques and has found some good "tricks" to using a bagota.I only need info or technique pointers on using the "classic" rake, assuming the diamond shaped one is used like a diamond(which I may or may not have down, so you guys can throw me some pointers on that too if ya like ) ,and not like some other tool.

Thanks for the help guys!!! And if you ever get a chance, and don't already own them, buy some of Raimundo's bagotas!! They're wallet size works of art! What you have read about them on here barely does them justice! I'm certain they can open locks and I'm just a dim-wit with them!.....for now

[freakparade3]

I have the best luck with fairly quick movements up and down inside the lock while pulling the pick out. Varied tension is also key to success.

[le.nutzman]

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Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 12:21 am Post subject:

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For people making their own bogotas, I've found that this helps:

Use a key as a template to space the ridges on your pick. Remember, steep ridges, sweeping valleys. Place the ridges so that the spacing places the ridges between two pins so that pins are riding on the sides of the ridges.

The spacing is pretty important to the function in my experience.

When using the pick, do NOT use a raking motion. Place the pick in the lock so that all pins are engaged by the ridges and valleys of the pick, and use a rapid rocking motion combined with a very small forward and back movement of the pick. While doing this, use a VERY LIGHT tension and a consistent bouncing of that VERY LIGHT tension. Sometimes I use a very rapid bouncing of tension if the lock doesn't open right away. The faster you can jiggle the pick in a controlled manner and bounce the tension to match the pick movement, the faster you'll open the lock. This is from my personal experience, and I must say that once you get the hang of it the picks work like magic!

Hope this helps, as it seems to be a pretty standard technique.

[Artkrp]

I have tried that to little success.
I might just need more practice. It is still a skill after all

[le.nutzman]

I have tried that to little success.
I might just need more practice. It is still a skill after all

Well that and the fact that the Bogata is designed for specific pinning and pin spacing, so unless you got a few of them to try, it might not be possible to use them on every lock you come across.

I know that someone else on here can use one on an American 5200, me however I can't. It's possible they're using a smaller one than i am, or i'm just bad with them in those kinds of locks, but I can use it to just about open any other lock it touches.

[raimundo]

The 5200 is a small keyway, there is not much room to move in there, but the usefulness of a bogota in them really is probably a matter of the bitting of the particular lock.
Art krp's picks should work just fine in regular size deadbolts, most likely hes overthinking it. and over tensioning. while the design can be made in a smaller version for smaller locks, it works well in all but the most paracentric keyways.
It simply is not specific to particular locks. Its designed to have the most universal application that you can put in two tools.

[le.nutzman]

The god of bogatas has spoken!

[freakparade3]

I have had good results with them on all types and brands of locks. When I go on a home lockout call that are all I have needed.

[Artkrp]

[quote="raimundo"]
Art krp's picks should work just fine in regular size deadbolts, most likely hes overthinking it. and over tensioning. quote]
your probably right
Just gotta keep chugging away. I would like to note that I am putting almost NO tension on the cylinder

[Artkrp]

^
Ooops...

[SFGOON]

"Bagotas"

It's "Bogota" - like the capitol of Colombia.

You are not the first person to make that mistake.

I did it too at first...

[Artkrp]

I was corrected on that already

[n2oah]

I believe raimundo always said the technique was like shaking your hands as if you've had too much coffee.

[raimundo]

www.lockpickernetwork.wikidot.com/understanding-raking


youtube moderadour master150 bogaboga'd

fast light and a bit jittery little in and out some tilt up and down, pulsed or intermittent tension. let the set pins fall back and just reset them. works on spool pins as well as common ones if you do it right. frustration or tension, pressure are the things to avoid.