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When you go out do you carry your picks?

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Postby LockPickerJoe » 18 Jun 2008 23:33

Hey guys I was doing some research on my owns states laws about possesion of tools and of course I hate Connecticut. But I also found exerts of other states I was post them here.

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Alaska The Alaska Statutes 2006 - Sec. 11.46.315. Possession of burglary tools. Intent to use or permit the use of (a) A person commits the crime of possession of burglary tools if the person possesses a burglary tool with intent to use or permit use of the tool in the commission of (1) burglary in any degree; (2) a crime referred to in AS 11.46.130 (a)(3); or (3) theft of services. (b) As used in this section, "burglary tools" means (1) nitroglycerine, dynamite, or any other tool, instrument, or device adapted or designed for use in committing a crime referred to in (a)(1)-(3) of this section; or (2) any acetylene torch, electric arc, burning bar, thermal lance, oxygen lance, or other similar device capable of burning through steel, concrete, or other solid material. (c) Possession of burglary tools is a class A misdemeanor.

AL – Alabama The Code of Alabama - Section 13A-7-8 - Possession of burglar's tools. (a) A person commits the crime of possession of burglar's tools if he: (1) Possesses any explosive, tool, instrument or other article adapted, designed or commonly used for committing or facilitating the commission of an offense involving forcible entry into premises or theft by a physical taking; and (2) Intends to use the thing possessed in the commission of an offense of the nature described in subdivision (a) (1) of this section. (b) Possession of burglar's tools is a Class C felony.

AR – Arkansas Arkansas Code – No specific law found

AZ – Arizona Arizona Revised Statutes – Section 13-1505. Possession of burglary tools; master key; manipulation key; classification. A. A person commits possession of burglary tools by: 1. Possessing any explosive, tool, instrument or other article adapted or commonly used for committing any form of burglary as defined in sections 13-1506, 13-1507 and 13-1508 and intending to use or permit the use of such an item in the commission of a burglary. C. Possession of burglary tools is a class 6 felony.

CA – California California Penal Code – Section 466-469. Burglarious And Larcenous Instruments And Deadly Weapons. 466. Every person having upon him or her in his or her possession a picklock, crow, keybit, crowbar, screwdriver, vise grip pliers, water-pump pliers, slidehammer, slim jim, tension bar, lock pick gun, tubular lock pick, floor-safe door puller, master key, ceramic or porcelain spark plug chips or pieces, or other instrument or tool with intent feloniously to break or enter into any building, railroad car, aircraft, or vessel, trailer coach, or vehicle as defined in the Vehicle Code, or who shall knowingly make or alter, or shall attempt to make or alter, any key or other instrument named above so that the same will fit or open the lock of a building, railroad car, aircraft, vessel, trailer coach, or vehicle as defined in the Vehicle Code, without being requested to do so by some person having the right to open the same, or who shall make, alter, or repair any instrument or thing, knowing or having reason to believe that it is intended to be used in committing a misdemeanor or felony, is guilty of a misdemeanor. Any of the structures mentioned in Section 459 shall be deemed to be a building within the meaning of this section.CO – Colorado Colorado Revised Statutes – Section 18-4-205. Possession of burglary tools. (1) A person commits possession of burglary tools if he possesses any explosive, tool, instrument, or other article adapted, designed, or commonly used for committing or facilitating the commission of an offense involving forcible entry into premises or theft by a physical taking, and intends to use the thing possessed, or knows that some person intends to use the thing possessed, in the commission of such an offense. (2) Possession of burglary tools is a class 5 felony.

CT – Connecticut General Statutes of Connecticut - Section 53a-106. Sec. 53a-106. Manufacturing or possession of burglar's tools: Class A misdemeanor. (a) A person is guilty of manufacturing or possession of burglar's tools when he manufactures or has in his possession any tool, instrument or other thing adapted, designed or commonly used for advancing or facilitating offenses involving unlawful entry into premises, or offenses involving forcible breaking of safes or other containers or depositories of property, under circumstances manifesting an intent to use or knowledge that some person intends to use the same in the commission of an offense of such character. (b) Manufacturing or possession of burglar's tools is a class A misdemeanor.

DC - District of Columbia (Washington D.C.) District of Columbia Official Code - Section 22-2501 - Possession of implements of crime; penalty. No person shall have in his or her possession in the District any instrument, tool, or implement for picking locks or pockets, with the intent to use such instrument, tool, or implement to commit a crime. Whoever violates this section shall be imprisoned for not more than 180 days and may be fined not more than $1,000, unless the violation occurs after he or she has been convicted in the District of a violation of this section or of a felony, either in the District or another jurisdiction, in which case he or she shall be imprisoned for not less than one year nor more than 5 years.

DE – Delaware Delaware Code - Section 828 - Possession of burglar's tools or instruments facilitating theft; class F felony. (a) A person is guilty of possession of burglar's tools or instruments facilitating theft when, under circumstances evidencing an intent to use or knowledge that some other person intends to use the same in the commission of an offense of such character, the person possesses any tool, instrument, or other thing adapted, designed, or commonly used for committing or facilitating: (1) Offenses involving unlawful entry into or upon premises, (2) Offenses involving the unlocking, overriding, or disabling of a security device without authorization, (3) Offenses involving forcible breaking or opening of safes, vending machines, automatic teller machines, lock boxes, gates, doors or any container or depositories of property, or (4) The offense of identity theft, such as a credit card, driver license or other document issued in a name other than the name of the person who possesses the document. (b) Possession of burglar's tools or instruments facilitating theft is a class F felony.

FL – Florida The 2006 Florida Statutes - Section 810.06 - Possession of burglary tools. Whoever has in his or her possession any tool, machine, or implement with intent to use the same, or allow the same to be used, to commit any burglary or trespass shall be guilty of a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

GA – Georgia Georgia Code - Section 16-7-20 (a) A person commits the offense of possession of tools for the commission of crime when he has in his possession any tool, explosive, or other device commonly used in the commission of burglary, theft, or other crime with the intent to make use thereof in the commission of a crime. (b) A person convicted of the offense of possession of tools for the commission of crime shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years.

HI – Hawaii 2006 Hawaii Revised Statutes - Section 708-812 - Possession of burglar's tools. (1) A person commits the offense of possession of burglar's tools if: (a) The person knowingly possesses any explosive, tool, instrument, or other article adapted, designed, or commonly used for committing or facilitating the commission of an offense involving forcible entry into premises or theft by a physical taking, and the person intends to use the explosive, tool, instrument, or article, or knows some person intends ultimately to use it, in the commission of the offense of the nature described aforesaid; or (b) The person knowingly possesses any master key, unless authorized, and the person intends to use the master key or knows some person intends ultimately to use it, in the commission of an offense involving entry into premises or theft by a physical taking. (2) Possession of burglar's tools is a misdemeanor.

IA – Iowa Iowa Code - Section 713.7 - Possession of burglar's tools. Any person who possesses any key, tool, instrument, device or any explosive, with the intent to use it in the perpetration of a burglary, commits an aggravated misdemeanor.

ID – Idaho Idaho Statutes - Section 18-1406 - Possession of Burglarious Instruments. Every person having upon him, or in his possession, a picklock, crow, key, bit, or other instrument or tool, with intent feloniously to break or enter into any building or who shall knowingly make or alter, or shall attempt to make or alter any key or other instrument above named, so that the same will fit or open the lock of a building, without being requested so to do by some person having the right to open the same, or who shall make, alter, or repair, any instrument or thing, knowing, or having reason to believe, that it is intended to be used in committing a misdemeanor or felony, is guilty of a misdemeanor. Any of the structures mentioned in this chapter shall be deemed a building within the meaning of this section.

IL – Illinois Illinois Compiled Statutes - Section 19-2 - Possession of burglary tools. (a) A person commits the offense of possession of burglary tools when he possesses any key, tool, instrument, device, or any explosive, suitable for use in breaking into a building, housetrailer, watercraft, aircraft, motor vehicle as defined in The Illinois Vehicle Code, railroad car, or any depository designed for the safekeeping of property, or any part thereof, with intent to enter any such place and with intent to commit therein a felony or theft. (b) Sentence. Possession of burglary tools in violation of this Section is a Class 4 felony.

IN – Indiana Indiana Code - No specific law found

KS – Kansas Kansas Statutes - No specific law found

KY – Kentucky Kentucky Revised Statutes – Section 511.050 - Possession of burglar's tools. (1) A person is guilty of possession of burglar's tools when he possesses any tool, instrument or other thing adapted, designed or commonly used for committing or facilitating the commission of an offense involving forcible entry into premises or theft by a physical taking under circumstances which leave no reasonable doubt as to his: (a) Intention to use the same in the commission of an offense of such character; or (b) Knowledge that some other person intends to use the same in the commission of an offense of such character. (2) Possession of burglar's tools is a Class A misdemeanor.

LA – Louisiana Louisiana Revised Statutes - No specific law found

MA – Massachusetts The General Laws of Massachusetts - No specific law found

MD – Maryland Maryland Code - Section 6-207 - Burglary with destructive device. (a) Prohibited - A person may not open or attempt to open a vault, safe, or other secure repository by the use of a destructive device, as defined in § 4-501 of this article, while committing burglary in the first, second, or third degree. (b) Penalty - A person who violates this section is guilty of the felony of burglary with destructive device and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 20 years. (c) Sentence - A sentence imposed for a violation of this section may be separate from and consecutive to or concurrent with a sentence for another crime based on the act establishing the violation of this section.

ME – Maine Maine Revised Statutes – Section 403 - Possession or transfer of burglar's tools. 1. A person is guilty of possession or transfer of burglar's tools if that person: A. Possesses or makes any tool, implement, instrument or other article that is adapted, designed or commonly used for advancing or facilitating crimes involving unlawful entry into property or crimes involving forcible breaking of safes or other containers or depositories of property, including, but not limited to, an electronic device used as a code grabber or a master key designed to fit more than one lock, with intent to use such tool, implement, instrument or other article to commit any such criminal offense. Violation of this paragraph is a Class E crime; or B. Transfers or possesses with the intent to transfer any device described in paragraph A that that person knows is designed or primarily useful for the commission of a crime described in paragraph A. Violation of this paragraph is a Class D crime.

MI – Michigan Michigan Compiled Laws – Section 750.116 - Burglar's tools; possession. Any person who shall knowingly have in his possession any nitroglycerine, or other explosive, thermite, engine, machine, tool or implement, device, chemical or substance, adapted and designed for cutting or burning through, forcing or breaking open any building, room, vault, safe or other depository, in order to steal therefrom any money or other property, knowing the same to be adapted and designed for the purpose aforesaid, with intent to use or employ the same for the purpose aforesaid, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years.

MN – Minnesota Minnesota Statutes 2006 – Section 609.59 - Possession of Burglary or Theft Tools. Whoever has in possession any device, explosive, or other instrumentality with intent to use or permit the use of the same to commit burglary or theft may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than three years or to payment of a fine of not more than $5,000, or both.

MO – Missouri Missouri Revised Statutes - Section 569.180.1 - Possession of burglar's tools. 1. A person commits the crime of possession of burglar's tools if he possesses any tool, instrument or other article adapted, designed or commonly used for committing or facilitating offenses involving forcible entry into premises, with a purpose to use or knowledge that some person has the purpose of using the same in making an unlawful forcible entry into a building or inhabitable structure or a room thereof. 2. Possession of burglar's tools is a class D felony.

MS – Mississippi Mississippi Code - Section 97-17-35 - Burglary; possession of burglar's tools. It is unlawful for any person to have in his possession implements, tools, or instruments designed to aid in the commission of burglary, larceny or robbery; and on the conviction of any person thereof, he shall be punished by imprisonment in the penitentiary not exceeding five (5) years, or in the county jail not exceeding one year. The carrying concealed about one's person, or in one's baggage, implements, tools, or instruments peculiarly adapted to aid in the commission of burglary, larceny or robbery, shall be prima facie evidence of intention to use them for such purpose.

MT – Montana Montana Code Annotated – Section 45-6-205 - Possession of burglary tools. (1) A person commits the offense of possession of burglary tools when he knowingly possesses any key, tool, instrument, device, or explosive suitable for breaking into an occupied structure or vehicle or any depository designed for the safekeeping of property or any part thereof with the purpose to commit an offense therewith. (2) A person convicted of possession of burglary tools shall be fined not to exceed $500 or be imprisoned in the county jail for any term not to exceed 6 months, or both.

NC - North Carolina North Carolina General Statutes - No specific law found

ND - North Dakota North Dakota Century Code - No specific law found

NE – Nebraska Nebraska Revised Statutes – Section 28-508 - Possession of burglar's tools; penalty. (1) A person commits the offense of possession of burglar's tools if: (a) He knowingly possesses any explosive, tool, instrument, or other article adapted, designed, or commonly used for committing or facilitating the commission of an offense involving forcible entry into premises or theft by a physical taking; and (b) He intends to use the explosive, tool, instrument, or article, or knows some person intends ultimately to use it, in the commission of an offense of the nature described in subdivision (1)(a) of this section. (2) Possession of burglar's tools is a Class IV felony.

NH - New Hampshire New Hampshire Revised Statutes - No specific law found

NJ - New Jersey New Jersey Permanent Statutes - Section 2C:5-5 - Burglar's Tools. a. Any person who manufactures or possesses any engine, machine, tool or implement adapted, designed or commonly used for committing or facilitating any offense in chapter 20 of this Title or offenses involving forcible entry into premises. (1) Knowing the same to be so adapted or designed or commonly used; and (2) With either a purpose so to use or employ it, or with a purpose to provide it to some person who he knows has such a purpose to use or employ it, is guilty of an offense. b. Any person who publishes plans or instructions dealing with the manufacture or use of any burglar tools as defined above, with the intent that such publication be used for committing or facilitating any offense in chapter 20 of this Title or offenses involving forcible entry into premises is guilty of an offense. The offense under a. or b. of this section is a crime of the fourth degree if the defendant manufactured such instrument or implements or published such plans or instructions; otherwise it is a disorderly persons offense.

NM - New Mexico New Mexico Statutes and Court Rules – Section 30-16-5 - Possession of burglary tools. Possession of burglary tools consists of having in the person's possession a device or instrumentality designed or commonly used for the commission of burglary and under circumstances evincing an intent to use the same in the commission of burglary. Whoever commits possession of burglary tools is guilty of a fourth degree felony.

NV – Nevada Nevada Revised Statutes - Section 205.080 - Possession of instrument with burglarious intent; making, alteration or repair of instrument for committing offense; penalty. 1. Every person who makes or mends or causes to be made or mended, or has in his possession in the day or nighttime, any engine, machine, tool, false key, picklock, bit, nippers or implement adapted, designed or commonly used for the commission of burglary, invasion of the home, larceny or other crime, under circumstances evincing an intent to use or employ, or allow the same to be used or employed in the commission of a crime, or knowing that the same is intended to be so used, shall be guilty of a gross misdemeanor. 2. The possession thereof except by a mechanic, artificer or tradesman at and in his established shop or place of business, open to public view, shall be prima facie evidence that such possession was had with intent to use or employ or allow the same to be used or employed in the commission of a crime.

NY – New York Consolidated Laws of New York - PEN Title I - Article 140 - Section 140.35 - Possession of burglar's tools. A person is guilty of possession of burglar's tools when he possesses any tool, instrument or other article adapted, designed or commonly used for committing or facilitating offenses involving forcible entry into premises, or offenses involving larceny by a physical taking, or offenses involving theft of services as defined in subdivisions four, five and six of section 165.15, under circumstances evincing an intent to use or knowledge that some person intends to use the same in the commission of an offense of such character. Possession of burglar's tools is a class A misdemeanor.

OH – Ohio Ohio Revised Code - No specific law found

OK – Oklahoma Oklahoma Statutes - Section 21-1442 - Possession of certain tools by persons previously convicted of burglary. Any person who has been previously convicted of the crime of burglary who has in his possession, custody or concealed about his person, or transports or causes to be transported, any combination of three (3) or more of the following tools: Sledge hammer, pry bar, punches, chisel, bolt cutters, with the intent to use or employ, or allow the same to be used or employed, in the commission of a crime, or knowing that the tools are to be used in the commission of a crime, shall be guilty of a felony.

OR – Oregon Oregon Revised Statutes - Section 164.235 - Possession of a burglary tool or theft device. (1) A person commits the crime of possession of a burglary tool or theft device if the person possesses a burglary tool or theft device and the person: (a) Intends to use the tool or device to commit or facilitate a forcible entry into premises or a theft by a physical taking; or (b) Knows that another person intends to use the tool or device to commit or facilitate a forcible entry into premises or a theft by a physical taking. (2) For purposes of this section, “burglary tool or theft deviceâ€
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Postby notillr » 19 Jun 2008 0:26

Being from Oklahoma, I find it amusing that we are concerned about the "WMD's" of burglary instead of skill tools. In fact, tools with no other purpose than compromise locks are not included in the list.
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Postby Archive555 » 19 Jun 2008 2:54

I personally take them everywhere.
School, on the bus, whatever.

I always carry around a lock or two in my pocket anyway.
A few people have asked me what I'm doing with the picks (teachers mostly), and I just pull out a lock from my pocket and explain that I pick locks as a hobby, and that I might want to be a locksmith later in life.

On the bus, at lunch, or whenever, I can pull out a lock and entertain myself.

Mind you, I never take my full set with me anywhere, unless it's for a specific reason (like I'm going away for the weekend, and I forgot to charge my PSP :P )
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Postby gasterpend » 22 Jul 2008 20:30

Thanks for posting that list lockpickerjoe, but I read the law for my state and still can't understand what they intend. I guess if the law isn't clear, it's not clearly broken.
MI – Michigan Michigan Compiled Laws – Section 750.116 - Burglar's tools; possession. Any person who shall knowingly have in his possession any nitroglycerine, or other explosive, thermite, engine, machine, tool or implement, device, chemical or substance, adapted and designed for cutting or burning through, forcing or breaking open any building, room, vault, safe or other depository, in order to steal therefrom any money or other property, knowing the same to be adapted and designed for the purpose aforesaid, with intent to use or employ the same for the purpose aforesaid, shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years.
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Postby nole » 22 Jul 2008 23:02

So, can a cop just decide your going to use the picks for a crime or does he/she have to have proof to arrest/fine you? (I'm from Iowa, btw)
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Postby Olson Burry » 22 Jul 2008 23:14

It is hard to understand but it all comes down to "intent"

If you take some of the waffle out, the law looks a little clearer:
MI – Michigan Michigan Compiled Laws – Section 750.116 - Burglar's tools; possession. Any person who knowingly has in his possession Lock Picking Tools in order to bypass/break in(somewhere), knowing the Lock Picking Tools (are) designed for the purpose of bypassing/breaking in (and) with intent to use or employ the Lock Picking Tools to bypass/break in shall be guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in the state prison not more than 10 years.


Im sure i could have done it better but anyway. Basically if you look like a shady fellow who has just been caught loitering alone at night with a full set on you for no good reason, that might qualify as "intent". However I dont think a judge in their right mind would send you down for having a couple of tools and practice locks in the middle of the day down the park or something.

Could be wrong but that is how ive interpreted it. Also you might get some ignorant copper who will arrest you and confiscate your tools under the guise of "intent".

Is no one innocent until proven guilty anymore? Its like having a thought crime isn't it? Very Orwellian.

Personally I dont take mine out unless going to the front garden which faces the road or making the short trip to a friends house, in which case the are in my bag with 4-5 locks.

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Postby TANGO » 22 Jul 2008 23:23

[quote="gasterpend"]Thanks for posting that list lockpickerjoe, but I read the law for my state and still can't understand what they intend. I guess if the law isn't clear, it's not clearly broken.
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That basically means they can charge you with intent of theft if you have anything in your possesion that would let you to break and enter or steal something.

A screwdriver....busted
A hammer .....busted
etc.......busted

I've known someone who was charged for theft because he was carrying a screwdriver in his pocket. It all depends on how crazy the cop is.
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Postby ToolyMcgee » 22 Jul 2008 23:45

I carry some tools out with me every time I leave the house. Sometimes a couple sets. Mostly because I bring a lock or two to play with, but you never know when it could come in handy. I also almost always carry at least 2 knives too. Multi tool, my little pocket knife, and whatever suits my mood at the moment. If I am going somewhere I think it will be a problem I don't take as much, or just a simple set pinned to my clothing.

I know that any one[/] of the things in my pocket and on my belt could potentially get me arrested in the wrong situation, and I am prepared to loose a set, sit in the back of a cop car and explain myself, sit in lockup, whatever, because I know my intent and I am acting within my rights.

That being said it is not hard to understand the law as it pertains to intent. It is the discretion of the officer. If you are picking a lock you don't own without the owner's permission you are getting arrested. You are breaking the law. If you get your pockets checked for whatever reason and you have them on you it is up to the officer to decide your intent. Simple possession can show intent.

Sorry. The issue of legality is a pet peeve of mine and a very long rant topic for me.
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Postby raimundo » 23 Jul 2008 6:55

So everybody, JUST STAY AWAY FROM MISSISSIPPI there is no reason for anyone to go there anyway, and people who can escape as soon as possible. Even alabama recognizes that its intent, proven by past convictions or stupid actions that makes it a crime. but Misssissippi is the worst of the Third world.
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Postby freakparade3 » 23 Jul 2008 8:28

The list for Oklahoma is not complete. If you are caught with a bumpkey in Oklahoma you are going to jail, no matter where you are or what you were doing, unless you prove on the spot you are a locksmith.
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Postby doppleganger » 23 Jul 2008 9:18

freakparade3 wrote:The list for Oklahoma is not complete. If you are caught with a bumpkey in Oklahoma you are going to jail, no matter where you are or what you were doing, unless you prove on the spot you are a locksmith.


So there is NO lock that a bump key would fit as a "key"? Since the key is just cut to the lowest point. If you are carrying a striking device along with a bump key then I'd think the officer might have a clue as to what it's for.

So if you have a bump key then make sure you have a lock at home that it fits as a key so that when the officer asks to see what lock it fits you can produce it. :D

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Postby raimundo » 24 Jul 2008 7:04

I have a schlage C original key with the key cuts factory stamped on it, its like 99898 or something, so technically not a bump key :lol:
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Postby doppleganger » 24 Jul 2008 9:33

I just find it idiotic that by simply possessing a piece of metal you'd be hauled off to jail. A tire iron can pry a door jam...OOOOSSSS NOOOSSSS I can break into something. An acetylene torch can cut a lock, so I guess in the gov't eyes all welders are burglars.

I love this country, but sometimes the laws that are passed by ignorant and even stupid politicians makes me worry about our future. We need I.Q. standards or something before anyone can become a politician.

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Postby hydruh » 24 Jul 2008 10:49

the guy who runs my martial arts school is a state trooper.

His take is simple - intent is everything (in Ohio). If he stops you with a baseball bat, and you are CHASING SOMEONE WITH IT, he will arrest you for possession of a weapon. If you are in a ballpark, he won't. If it is in the back of your car, and you are in your car screaming that you are gonna kill someone, he might. It's all what you can articulate to the judge.

Lockpicks are the same. I took mine out to show him something, and he said "I could arrest you for having those!" I said (of course) "Nuh uhh!" and he said "sure , I could! You'd be out the next day, cause I couldn't get it to stick, but I could arrest you!"

Can't argue with that.

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Postby doppleganger » 24 Jul 2008 13:18

hydruh wrote:the guy who runs my martial arts school is a state trooper.

His take is simple - intent is everything (in Ohio). If he stops you with a baseball bat, and you are CHASING SOMEONE WITH IT, he will arrest you for possession of a weapon. If you are in a ballpark, he won't. If it is in the back of your car, and you are in your car screaming that you are gonna kill someone, he might. It's all what you can articulate to the judge.

Lockpicks are the same. I took mine out to show him something, and he said "I could arrest you for having those!" I said (of course) "Nuh uhh!" and he said "sure , I could! You'd be out the next day, cause I couldn't get it to stick, but I could arrest you!"

Can't argue with that.

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true, it's a judgment call by the law officer at that time and in most circumstances nothing would happen, but technically an arrest is possible. We need a CPSL (Concealed Pickset License). We already have (here in TX) a CHL (Concealed Handgun License) and a gun is actually one heck of a pick, though a loud one.

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It's just frustrating that laws come down to being made to cover the lowest common denominator, i.e. carrying something that could be used to do something illegal (which is just about anything). But you know since it's "illegal" to possess picksets in some states, the bad guys will not carry them, along with turning in their guns and not speeding and never telling lies.
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